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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296602 Archived-At: --0000000000005d161305ea0c918d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 12:34 PM Philip Kaludercic wrote: > The idea behind the name (Emacs polyGLOT) is not intuitive. Since when are names "intuitive"? Do I have any intuition about who you are or what you do from your name alone? Names are abstract indirections by definition (with some 20th century structuralist and post-structuralist caveats that I really don't think apply here). I have no problem admitting "Emacs polyglot" is mostly a half-assed pretext to justify a distinctive, easy to type name. I wouldn't fixate on it. Some people like its sound and uniqueness. A demographic you are not part of, I comprehend that. You can't always please everyone. > I don't even think it is necessary to rename the implementation as long > as at least one auto-loaded alias is available. What is this idea? Say you make M-x philip an auto-loaded alias for M-x eglot. Say I go with that, then what? What about M-x eglot-rename, M-x eglot-reconnect, M-x eglot-shutdown and all the eglot- user variables, etc? They keep the same names? What good is that really? Alias all of them? No thanks, there are enough confused users already: I want to communicate with them as unequivocally as possible Jo=C3=A3o --0000000000005d161305ea0c918d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 12:34 PM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> wrote:
=C2=A0The idea behind the name (E= macs polyGLOT) is not intuitive.=C2=A0

Since wh= en are names "intuitive"?=C2=A0 Do I have any intuition about who=
you are or what you do from your name alone?=C2=A0 Names ar= e abstract
indirections by definition (with some 20th centur= y structuralist and
post-structuralist caveats that I really= don't think apply here).

I hav= e no problem admitting "Emacs polyglot" is mostly a half-assed pr= etext
to justify a distinctive, easy to type name. I wouldn&= #39;t fixate on it.

Some people like its sound and uniqueness= .=C2=A0 A demographic you are not part
of, I comprehend that= . You can't always please everyone.

> I don= 't even think it is necessary to rename the implementation as long
&= gt; as at least one auto-loaded alias is available.

What is this idea? Say you make M-x philip an auto-load= ed alias for M-x eglot.

Say I go with that, then what?=C2=A0 = What about M-x eglot-rename, M-x eglot-reconnect,=C2=A0
M-x eglot-shutdown and all the eglot- user vari= ables, etc?=C2=A0
They keep = the same names? What good is that really?=C2=A0 Alias all of them?=C2=A0
No thanks, there are enough co= nfused users already: I want to communicate
with them as unequivocally as possible

Jo= =C3=A3o
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