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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250269 Archived-At: On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:41 PM Stefan Monnier w= rote: > > >> - It would not impose our own coding conventions and would hence happi= ly > >> accept `s.el`. > > Note: we most likely can ask s.el's author to better follow _some_ of o= ur > > conventions, if that's what it takes to accept it for GNU ELPA. > > But renaming the package (with 400+ dependencies out there) would > > be impractical. > > The issue is not `s.el`, but any other package with comparable (tho not > necessarily identical) issues w.r.t coding convention. I mention `s.el` > as an example of a package where the breakage of coding-convention seems > severe enough (contrary to my own judgment, FWIW) to disallow it into > GNU ELPA even though everyone agrees it is technically fine. What are the top 5 (3?) most worrisome violations of coding convention by s.el? I suppose namespacing is at the top of that list, but what are the other ones, ranked and summarized, if possible? Aren't we willing to live with some of them, for a while, especially if they are neatly packed inside a clearly identified namespace? Jo=C3=A3o