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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250923 Archived-At: On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 7:00 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > No, I don't. I may have seen it mentioned a few years ago, tried it > once, the result didn't help me with whatever I was doing at the time, > so I promptly forgot the binding and what it does. > > Does anybody here use 'C-h p' on a regular basis? Not me. And indeed, I must say I'm always (pleasantly) surprised by the vastness of C-h commands. But I don't use half of them, because I don't know they exist. But again, that's a question of making them more visible. I probably know hundreds of keybindings by heart. I learned them because they were either very useful or cleverly advertised. Let's make a tip-of-the-day or something like that. This isn't exactly a new problem in UI design. Most importantly let's fix these shortcomings before using them as an excuse to do fundamental changes to the way we organize and develop software. Jo=C3=A3o