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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249592 Archived-At: --00000000000024595405a53e6ac3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:55 PM Micha=C5=82 "phoe" Herda wrote: > Thanks for the welcome. > > On 09.05.2020 23:47, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > But don't _you_ ever use :USE it for packages that you _do_ have > control over? Like an internal utils package? Or a test package > that uses the package under testing? Otherwise I agree with you > about the ":USE abuse". > > Of course I do! I've mentioned in my earlier mail, > Doh, sorry. I read so many mails todays that I read yours in diagonal. You're right. The subject doesn't help, tho. It sounds a bit like you're making a blanket statement. 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On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:55 PM Micha=C5=82 "phoe" Her= da <phoe@disroot.org> wrote:<= br>
=20 =20 =20
Thanks for the welcome.

On 09.05.2020 23:47, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote:
=20 But don't _you_ ever use :USE it for packages that you _do_ have
control over?=C2=A0 Like an internal utils package?=C2=A0 Or= a test package
that uses the package under testing?=C2=A0 Otherwise I agree with you
about the ":USE abuse".=C2=A0

Of course I do! I've mentioned in my earlier mail,

Doh, sorry.=C2=A0 I read so many mails todays that= I read yours
in diagonal. =C2=A0 You're right. The subject d= oesn't help, tho.
It sounds=C2=A0 a bit like you're = making a blanket statement.
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