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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248976 Archived-At: On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Philippe Vaucher wrote: > I think "all in string-" or "all in string- or multibyte-" would work > for me. Sure, the first time you try to find "multibyte" in in > "string-" you fail but you rapidly know that from now only multibyte > starts with multibyte. For example your list I'd do: > > multibyte-string-p -> multibyte-string-p > string-to-multibyte -> multibyte-from-string > string-as-multibyte -> multibyte-from-string-unsafe > set-buffer-multibyte -> buffer-set-multibyte > multibyte-char-to-unibyte -> multibyte-char-to-unibyte [1] Do you know what this would make to fine completion list I gave you? It would make it suck. So you, the "bit of an extremist" who "is annoyed by a little noise", are prepared to introduce an unimaginable amount of it into my and other's workflows at the slightest difficulty and resistance to read a fine manual. I like Emacs because it respects people's established workflows, and allows for programmers to build on it, so they can use whatever workflow they prefer. Unfortunately, you're finding it a bit hard to support your -- absolutely legitimate, mind you -- ruby-esque ways. But you should be working to have proper namespacing so you can work with a magnar-string.el or ruby-regexp.el library the way you feel more confortable. That takes work, yes, but at least it's a win-win, not a lose-lose. If proper namespacing takes a lot of work, then work on a powerful completion tool. I can help you with that. You're French, right? Imagine if Google decided they'd to the complete works of Raymond Roussell from French to modern, easy-to-search, French. Jo=C3=A3o PS: BTW let a monkey bite me if for each of those proposed renames you don't start a separate 100-mail long bike-shedding war.