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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248731 Archived-At: On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 6:41 PM Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora = wrote: > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 4:28 PM Stefan Monnier = wrote: > > > This was solved when `C-h o` appeared, except that my muscle memory kep= t > > getting in the way. So I had to unbind `C-h f` and `C-h v` > > to force myself to use `C-h o`. > > Good idea. I resorted to lots of cursing, that worked, kind of. > And are you prepared for C-h o progeny, C-h O ? :-) Never, mind, Dmitry pointed out C-h S already exists, so that nativity has sailed past me. Jo=C3=A3o --=20 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora