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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248353 Archived-At: On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:09 PM Stefan Monnier wr= ote: > > > Just wanted to voice my support for exactly the points that Dmitry make= s. > > And if we do add it to Elpa, can we give it a slightly longer prefix? L= ike > > 'cljstr`? > > I don't think renaming it will fly. We should definitely add it to GNU > ELPA because it's used by many other Elisp packages. But renaming would > be self-defeating some all those packages won't want to go through > the renaming. Well none of those users of s.el are in GNU Elpa, right? They could trivially rename to use cjstring.el, or string.el. To be clear, I don't oppose the inclusion of those functions/macros especially if they really are advantageous (but are they really?). What I really don't like about this and the dash.el library is that it takes up such a prominent place in the shared namespace, because of the very short prefix. Perhaps this argument is a bit reactionary, but then again s.el seems a bit /arriviste/ in that regard (likely unintentionally). If we had a package system, ideally one with local nicknames, this would all be moot, I think. Jo=C3=A3o