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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249484 Archived-At: On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:41 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 09.05.2020 18:25, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > It's not for discoverability. It's, among other reasons, so that major= modes > > can adding to Eglot's hooks, for example. > > I'm not sure for what purposes, but hooks are flexible enough for this > to be possible today already (without Eglot in the core). Yes, that works. But Eglot doesn't have only these kinds of interfaces. I= t also has generic functions. I guess we could have just a "lsp-interface.el= " in the core that defines the generic functions and no implementations. But in general, that's a fair stance, to have little interdependence and suitable indirections betweenmodules. > More generally, I oppose collecting more and more code inside Emacs. > Lots of features can live just as well as packages. That's true. Some things are desirable in the core though. In my view a proper completion tooltip that lives in the core and uses capf exclusively is a nice thing to have. I don't want to M-x package-install completion-thingy. > > Or that someday font-locking and > > or indentation can be done via the LSP server. > That's the goal of TreeSitter, isn't it? Or are there some new additions > to the LSP protocol I haven't heard about? I think so yes. > But even the usual argument to have stuff in the core ("what if I don't > have Internet?") doesn't work for Eglot, considering it needs to > download external programs anyway (or have the user download them). True, to a point. But the user could have those programs already, or use Eglot to connect through the network. But that argument sucks, I agree. I do think once something is in the core it's more discoverable/taken more seriously. At least until we start bundling packages. In other words, we could be farther from that ideal of modularity, but we're just not there yet. Jo=C3=A3o