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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds?
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 18:44:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDnm51JADm+yRADFVFk43V6M0DkMndUQia8XOGHumy8rHsL9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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LOn Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 18:03 Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:

> João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Another way to fix this issue is for the org developers to not deal with
> > macro expansion-site recompilation problems so aggressively, and making
> > more use of the "call-with" idiom whereby a macro immediately expands to
> a
> > function that has all the frequently-changing implementation details.
>
> May you elaborate?
>

I have already elaborated a while back, but on a tangent deep down in a
thread and I'm on my phone right now. So maybe these links would give you
an idea of what it looks like.

http://random-state.net/log/3390120648.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/Common_Lisp/comments/okvgf0/examples_of_callwith_style_in_macros/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12476032

These are all common lisp related, but there are, I'm fairly sure, numerous
examples in Elisp, though not necessarily named "call-with". Let me know
what you understand of the examples before we continue.

You may also want to elaborate yourself on an example of a macro that is
emblematic of the expansion-site recompilation problem that, as I contend,
you fixed somewhat heavy-handedly and lead to these recurring irritations
to many users. We can see if we can fix that example with with the
technique I allude to.

João

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-23 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-22 17:27 Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds? T.V Raman
2023-12-23 17:58 ` João Távora
2023-12-23 18:06   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-23 18:44     ` João Távora [this message]
2023-12-24 11:50       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 14:13         ` João Távora
2023-12-24 14:48           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 16:32             ` João Távora
2023-12-24 16:36               ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 17:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 17:04               ` João Távora
2023-12-24 17:16                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:48                   ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:13                     ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:13                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 23:11                       ` João Távora
2023-12-25 11:26                         ` &allow-other-keys + &rest body in cl-defmacro (was: Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds?) Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 12:09                           ` João Távora
2023-12-25 12:21                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 19:00                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 13:58                         ` Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds? Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 17:42                           ` João Távora
2023-12-25 18:24                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:05               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:12                 ` João Távora
2023-12-24 17:18                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:24                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:54                       ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:10                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:16                           ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:23                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:56                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:42                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 14:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 23:14             ` João Távora
2023-12-24  2:43     ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24  6:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 16:29         ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 16:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 11:00       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 12:32         ` Po Lu
2023-12-24 12:50           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 12:57             ` Po Lu
2023-12-24 14:11             ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-24 14:51               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 14:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 16:59                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:26                     ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 17:44                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:01                         ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:12                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:16                             ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:25                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 19:23                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-24 18:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:11                         ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:17                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 19:31                             ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 17:56                       ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:50                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 19:05                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 23:23                       ` João Távora
2023-12-24 19:16                     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-24 19:24                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 16:32               ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 16:39                 ` João Távora
2023-12-24 16:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 17:05                     ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 18:59             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 19:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 20:02                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 20:03                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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