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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312834 Archived-At: On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:44=E2=80=AFPM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > > AFTER loading it > > > > ... > > The magnitude of the difference when additional methods are defined I > find surprising. Speaking of that, be sure to reproduce my results. These are results from an Emacs -Q run, and fortunately they are consistent across runs in the same machine. In my normal work session, I sometimes get much more dramatic slowdowns with these very same benchmarks, and I don't know why, maybe some garbage collection effect? Jo=C3=A3o