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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248739 Archived-At: On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 6:43 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > >> Even if I start using apropos and the manual more, I will continue usi= ng > >> code completion and describe-xxx commands nevertheless, and better > >> naming would still help there. > Regardless of whether I regularly use the manual or not, it's not okay > to dismiss subpar code completion experience just because we have > separate commands that also do a more free-form search. We really should work on the completion experience instead of naming. If I can't drive straight, I'm not going to twist the road to compensate. So, I get along quite nicely with flex + fido-mode with the current naming. But that doesn't mean we can't improve the completion styles to be as good as those that have a more free-form search. Reasonably simple ML techniques come to mind for relevancy scoring, for example. Jo=C3=A3o