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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248918 Archived-At: On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:51 PM Vladimir Sedach wrote: > Common Lisp does not do a good job of this, because whether or not a > symbol's package prefix is printed depends on the current package you > are in when printing. How is that a flaw? The point is that WRITE and READ are complementary and they will produce the same symbols in textual and symbolic representation. If you want to always print/read consistently, print everything from a package that doesn't use any other package, even :CL SLIME/SLY do that. Anyway, this is getting slightly off topic, I wasn't directly arguing for CL packages, anyway. Jo=C3=A3o