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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:21:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20200926163008.GS1349@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26252"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Bob Newell , emacs-devel To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 07 13:23:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ7Xz-0006jG-NF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 13:23:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55890 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ7Xy-0007WW-P7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 07:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55532) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ7WS-0006Xu-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 07:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]:37883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ7W5-0005WM-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 07:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id y13so1936147iow.4 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 04:21:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PXNfb2hLxzwpEtw7AgBtNJm03EHCxIARoPdXf2H7Bf4=; b=lpW+VCVC0xxde8cCF6NZRd+p83o7r1TDRuMHX4Emq1C7KTVpiobwghUSO9i9dK1ANS BJTLxYRxgYc8K229/wefN8CBE5otZ9M53HqtJRJJxh5PZ15IgEvNv1FR4gIVVRnnIHT6 9mcXQe5WIHiNvEg+B+8VinXPIM8J9UV705vz7PuLsYwhDCyCaTPn048P3YmcLzETvk9+ Wsl39qIeNyI1XOvB7tIe8hr0H570LYo2ikbv5wJdtYEpwBpbypqMHdGE8L3Mf7/qLx1p 5/3hdzFVyPWJNwFpRPowv8ndq8UF71v6J0+By5GwOpQncxU/Qkw31oSuR4GMrSS3xeqi E83Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PXNfb2hLxzwpEtw7AgBtNJm03EHCxIARoPdXf2H7Bf4=; b=Nmb1gP9+1mv4KD8H9AmkD2yapIYI5Yow9/kuBmsad4EVsBH4Jc6eKBdERbIdmEdYtJ duSecs3nraoWobmTtV2TNFyNI01aoHtYxL8GOEDH+CrbNLuTy7qbdqje6HZRSNz3/Lrv 1p5zwCN9GHqzj65g7+Cv3XZ5/v2lOBlS5I7jgps51QsydebeV4ARGZscL3IjgyUwxjnZ RB5BbQby/ptvnZtr+XZBpXDdb66y+x4Riu3Ojnz2qEJvpN6ldMQKUOocHKIkauVz9KXJ 9YoOosGxHaM7RLPOAaJcH+YmrE0Xi8urKkJ2zKVzjZ3KzRqt6cYImj5vrS5Yqe3LV48o Pbkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Apcy6+LtvWnXDBolc1IKNn6FATx8YTzRnaC9rPUZvmzS1eTrN UJY65mhmBWbmn9NZzBJaH+zlPCPxRoKRRXax3OE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwEnNohTsWZGRJnaK3l4TCbtPa2tSAK42PdxerLI25g3cP4ApXdAiL1pDWxbw2iHO6inOb1UFVwoPQU5grejko= X-Received: by 2002:a02:e47:: with SMTP id 68mr2374374jae.78.1602069709772; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 04:21:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b; envelope-from=joaotavora@gmail.com; helo=mail-io1-xd2b.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257187 Archived-At: My experience was very close to Gregory's. I also didn't have patience to follow the tutorial at first, but when I did I ended up ditching cua-mode and a lot of half-baked stuff I had. I also didn't read the manual very often, because I didn't find it easily. I didn't even distinguish correctly between Emacs and Emacs Lisp manuals, and was confused by Info vs Man. But C-h f and C-h k and following those hyperlinks were life savers from the start. Didn't care about the remaining C-h stuff though, which would have helped, in retrospect. I still do keep a C-a binding that switches back and forth between beginning of line and beginning of indentation and a shadowing binding to kill current buffer with C-x C-k (the default one, C-x k, is too easy to mistype for such a common operation). Those are my only two surviving things from 2005, and I can perfectly use an Emacs without them. Jo=C3=A3o