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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242034 Archived-At: On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 7:30 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > One of the main use cases I have for the highlighting is to > > input that keyword to see what "era" symbol I want. I don't know > > the symbol I want until I start seeing the large list. Then I add anoth= er > > little sub-concept word to narrow down, and repeat. Flex helps > > me explore. I wish I could share with you the function names > > I have to work with, but as you can understand, I can't. > It is OK to have special needs, I could just as well illustrate your use 'prefix' need-to-see-the-first-difference case as a special need. "special" in contrast to what I would suppose is the "norm" is not very useful here, especially when applied to a new feature. My position is that your argument is weak also because you don't have enough first-hand knowledge to talk about special needs __in the "flex" context__ I view your argument about consistency as a bit stronger, but also ultimately weaker than mine. Tough the fact that it is stronger is why I first proposed the reversion of faces in the 'basic' case. I gave my example as a data point. Take my word that it affects more people that I work with. SLIME's authors must also felt the "special need" back in 2006. Probably all the authors/users of every other flex system in the world also feel that "special need" (though, they are using other editors and have stated your don't value their opinion much -- contrary to me.). > an opt-in feature; it can later become the default if enough users > tell they want it. Sure, of course, I hope so. Jo=C3=A3o