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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251109 Archived-At: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:23 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 20.05.2020 19:22, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > For me, first class means to having a quirky name for it, > > it's just there. > > A quirky name like xref, eww, winner, eldoc or flymake? But a new user never types or needs to learn those, he just finds a file and all those things are activated. He may learn the names later on. But OK, you're probably right, we do need a prefix/namespace and it might as well be "eglot". Pragmatically, I'd alias M-x eglot to ide-start-lsp or something like that. But I won't make a question of it. Jo=C3=A3o