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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275614 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:12 PM Stefan Kangas wrot= e: > > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > >> Otherwise, we are probably better off just leaving things as they are= , > >> rather than complicating things just for the sake of it. > > > > Yes, "for the sake of it" is obviously bad. But solving particular > > problems that are well described is fine with me. > > I guess I'm trying to say that it would also be fine to wait until we > have more experience with this. Yeah, that is exactly what I wish will happen. For people to try it and to detect where it solves their problems and where it doesn't. Not to mention say where it has _created_ problems (i.e. where it might have introduced bugs). Jo=C3=A3o