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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313049 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:31=E2=80=AFPM Madhu wrote: > > And I'm not saying it's bad! There are very very very (did I say very > > enough?) good reasons to try and avoid the incredible complexity of > > something like PCL. > > There are advantages in the complexity of PCL. For instance, AFAIK there > is no way to undefine a method defined with cl-defmethod after defining > it without restartimg emacs, which I think misses the fundamental point > about Lisp. Well, you can unintern the symbol and define all the methods again. Not great but at least doesn't restart Emacs. Jo=C3=A3o