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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299813 Archived-At: --00000000000072467005ed6e612c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 11:41 AM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 14.11.2022 08:33, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > >>> believe it was reasonably low). But you're right, the benefits of > >>> shorthands so far are just programmer convenience for libraries outsi= de > >>> of Emacs. I've enjoyed using them, and I would guess a small number = of > >>> programmers are also taking advantage of them them in some side > >>> projects, judging from a quick GitHub code search. > >> My own search on GitHub has yielded nothing so far. > > I searched for 'read-symbol-shorthands' and turned up hits like this > > > > > https://github.com/include-yy/yyorg-bookmark/blob/47602869ad19853957cddfe= 01a81a04a9e3bda1c/yyorg-bookmark.el > > > https://github.com/mm--/dot-emacs/blob/2387d914a93fbd72b54e389a030b5dd045= 9a1c3b/elisp/jmm-notmuch-stuff.el > > > https://github.com/abgruszecki/dotfiles/blob/ba6763d0eade0f62ecc543e9a465= 01241aa88138/spacemacs/.spacemacs.d/bespoke.el > > > https://github.com/mm--/dot-emacs/blob/3ae1274e9de1641c6338a98b9659ce6947= 7fbd0b/elisp/jmm-inkscape.el > > > https://github.com/ilmotta/dotemacs/blob/a6ecf9b415468b023ac070f958a08402= 1c4db398/lisp/lib-media.el > > > > along with my beardbolt.el library. I don't know what you were > > searching for. > > Searched for exact same thing. Got pages and pages of hits in different > forks of the Emacs repo. Yes, Github code search is very poor, but I think it's the best we have to judge what is out there. --00000000000072467005ed6e612c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 11:41 AM Dmitry G= utov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote= :
On 14.11.2022 08:33, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote:
>>> believe it was reasonably low).=C2=A0 But you're right, th= e benefits of
>>> shorthands so far are just programmer convenience for librarie= s outside
>>> of Emacs.=C2=A0 I've enjoyed using them, and I would guess= a small number of
>>> programmers are also taking advantage of them them in some sid= e
>>> projects, judging from a quick GitHub code search.
>> My own search on GitHub has yielded nothing so far.
> I searched for 'read-symbol-shorthands' and turned up hits lik= e this
>
> https://github.com/include-yy/yyorg-bookmark/blob/47602869ad19= 853957cddfe01a81a04a9e3bda1c/yyorg-bookmark.el
> https://github.com/mm--/dot-emacs/blob/2387d914a93fbd72b54e389a= 030b5dd0459a1c3b/elisp/jmm-notmuch-stuff.el
> https://github.com/abgruszecki/dotfiles/blob/ba6763= d0eade0f62ecc543e9a46501241aa88138/spacemacs/.spacemacs.d/bespoke.el > https://github.com/mm--/dot-emacs/blob/3ae1274e9de1641c6338a98b9659ce= 69477fbd0b/elisp/jmm-inkscape.el
> https://github.com/ilmotta/dotemacs/blob/a6ecf9b415468b023ac070f958a084= 021c4db398/lisp/lib-media.el
>
> along with my beardbolt.el library.=C2=A0 I don't know what you we= re
> searching for.

Searched for exact same thing. Got pages and pages of hits in different forks of the Emacs repo.

Yes, Github code s= earch is very poor, but I think it's the best we have
to= judge what is out there.
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