On 17.09.2021 15:09, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Cc: rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefan@marxist.se,
>>   juri@linkov.net, rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 14:25:31 +0300
>>
>>> How many are "en masse"?  We have less than a dozen people claiming
>>> they want `..' back, that's hardly a "masse" in my book.
>>
>> I don't see anybody concur with your stance in this particular
>> discussion, and if you search the old one, I think it was mostly Paul
>> (?), and even he was really arguing toward something different, in a
>> different context as well (plain text files).
>
> It doesn't matter.  This is a decision we already made, so just saying
> you don't like it is not good enough.  We need a much stronger reason
> to reverse previous decisions.

The cost of backtracking is low, so yes, if people even simply say "we
don't like it", it should be changed.

I've listed particular reasons as well, but what does it matter: you
ignore those parts of messages.

>>> This one isn't, because we have been using it for many moons now.
>>> Some of it is practically impossible to undo, because it's in Git
>>> commit log messages.
>>
>> Again, look at this discussion: nobody is disputing the format of log
>> messages.
>
> Not true.

Nobody in *this discussion*. People being casually careless is nothing
new, OTOH.

> If you look at the commit log messages, even the latest
> ones done today, you will see that almost everyone disputes that part.

This is orthogonal to this discussion. Please don't derail it.