From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PJ Weisberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:13:45 -0800 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87iovo4caz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <877gc14vzs.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <878uwhxnqe.fsf@informatimago.com> <83txf4cw9z.fsf@gnu.org> <416D7143-AE4A-45FF-A3A3-AA208D268D97@informatimago.com> <83hab4ce1o.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbzkvyiz.fsf@informatimago.com> <83bo1bcysn.fsf@gnu.org> <87bo1bw7xx.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113466388c442204ebe7d361 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385280827 27035 80.91.229.3 (24 Nov 2013 08:13:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 09:13:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VkUpE-0006Nw-QS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:13:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46445 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkUpE-0003Qf-BY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:13:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34106) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkUpB-0003Ob-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:13:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkUp9-0008HE-SW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:13:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22d]:63258) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkUp9-0008EX-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 03:13:47 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id rp16so3677701pbb.4 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:13:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Xd95GJ0096paeflOL/VA92b2UvkC5r2wnKP+rg75jlk=; b=jqQYNktVxtg7nZc68W60unbUoQXq1YWb7wSyCMy0JSE0axwlSx7f1Z+NUwppox2nmM m11jEj9TpPAKkzaWLT1T4zOwpY6vTKUSGidE5Agr/adMl5nbb2SAn9+tNcsRc1VmOd8A KMknxYJZrfWg7Uy48RXpzwuzWklVtPHCcsyXqAJ1pguuLycRv2tXc904hXMd8AgvqTEe RCENUWQjiVhNCNs33fZweYI3UgA5hQW08qYqU97dGtBzcaTB6cF2U7H2jLWmKOyXaj5n 6InQnr/uDmjwUoTEaIFGnSIyallLGnyKKUEcShQXBljd0acR7x1ufFztiVYQT53YD4mu aT5w== X-Received: by 10.68.215.38 with SMTP id of6mr20933230pbc.14.1385280825998; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:13:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.68.96.35 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:13:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.68.96.35 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:13:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bo1bw7xx.fsf@informatimago.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165647 Archived-At: --001a113466388c442204ebe7d361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Nov 23, 2013 5:44 AM, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > >> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:53:40 +0100 > >> What I'm asking, is what you do once the user specified a DTD containing > >> elements such as: , and ? How do you edit them? > > > > I have no idea what these are or why would the user need to edit them. > > Exactly my point. > > The user specified as a structuring element for his kind of > documents, and you and emacs don't know what it means, and how it should > represented in a WYSIWIG way and how it should be manipulated from a > WYSIWIG view. > > Nonetheless, a structure editor can edit them, adding nodes and > childrens, as specified by the user-supplied DTD. > > That's why it seems obvious to me, once we've specified that we allowed > users to supply their own DTD, that we need to provide an explicit set > of commands to edit the structure of the document, in additionnal to the > usual text editing command set translated to usual structure editing. In the context of a WYSIWYG word processor, why in god's name would the user be specifying a DTD? --001a113466388c442204ebe7d361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Nov 23, 2013 5:44 AM, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" &= lt;pjb@informatimago.com> w= rote:
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>= writes:
>
> >> From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
> >> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:53:40 +0100

> >> What I'm asking, is what you do once the u= ser specified a DTD containing
> >> elements such as: <xlorf>, <grlyb> and <ashur&= gt;? =A0How do you edit them?
> >
> > I have no idea what these are or why would the user need to edit = them.
>
> Exactly my point.
>
> The user specified <xlorf> as a structuring element for his kind= of
> documents, and you and emacs don't know what it means, and how it = should
> represented in a WYSIWIG way and how it should be manipulated from a > WYSIWIG view.
>
> Nonetheless, a structure editor can edit them, adding <xlorf> no= des and
> childrens, as specified by the user-supplied DTD.
>
> That's why it seems obvious to me, once we've specified that w= e allowed
> users to supply their own DTD, that we need to provide an explicit set=
> of commands to edit the structure of the document, in additionnal to t= he
> usual text editing command set translated to usual structure editing.<= /p>

In the context of a WYSIWYG word processor, why in god's= name would the user be specifying a DTD?

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