From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 11:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c129552b8d132055393abe2" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499268696 22746 195.159.176.226 (5 Jul 2017 15:31:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, jean.christophe.helary@gmail.com, Emacs developers , Yuri Khan To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 05 17:31:31 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dSmH0-0005TO-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 17:31:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46720 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSmH6-0004ua-3j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 11:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38735) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSmFX-0003yS-KY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 11:29:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSmFW-0002sK-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 11:29:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]:32903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSmFU-0002ne-Ax; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 11:29:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id x125so3244853ywa.0; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 08:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IuMZCxRxdJ32wwy3x/vlLfGC8cqaUecYRO40n2FCrjY=; b=hdz/6wkxA4zhw/ErsLUm2xsjs66YPiFofZQuiFE8OhVJp77qBE0Zuv7dgFyqYMHaC8 +KxDFDadL5EoEKQGY4bZZJrt43IX364whb+FsreHaKiomJWDt3K0kVy+3fpPDDBXCzq5 D08eB+vvsTH4Pq6qq52ei/1JolCU3VJbWDhz/QOjvl3g7r8yRTg84ltPpOLSi3ITHLH7 IGQHJOaLOvofbiM9ssKriBBNicYxX5LJ4JcLWDS+erAcFfzVO2PFG55BrD8VEVPQTOGN Rycx39z/4by2i6UXB531b3+0JrAj9Zw3MIJ0ju3SgS43mweQpiyXwBTjOajquzl3RrY8 da3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to:cc; bh=IuMZCxRxdJ32wwy3x/vlLfGC8cqaUecYRO40n2FCrjY=; b=hp4BltNn22N3xTHcgvf1CmnTdrgrvifjk4PeIDXXlzawGLpMmh5UwBKoppgg7lhqFd VMBAtZ6jGTsRdR30aFTgSZ7/1TNzjglCnwHX0ZciATCgrCMbbQsQDVROIyvyOhploAv6 9hcymXEeadisW9cB4BXIJg0kO8bdixCxKEPEU4guWr1rY4I4k9W7vvMXvICkHWfOibsG 3mz566R7tnQgVYVRYhCyg1A+0nyQd+pvZm/nMeaCDTb9+gB+ByH/Xb/9q1yYBWz6RpzC VowRO4ICwpfoeIojqmdJCjU8tHs5VnxQgaLXclTBtZvm53CnloMzsXN2usi+OY6/G53n 8xag== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwILCfM/UaOF7OtvlX0k1tuQpcztsQ9hghxIKIexx/Cjt3HX3Vm PRZJAp4VQdKIBITuIx4aqwluF2foEyq1 X-Received: by 10.129.166.201 with SMTP id d192mr39482548ywh.108.1499268589864; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 08:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.37.54.37 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:29:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Sender-Auth: UutN57H3EuWj7dUu5iMkbCp_Y38 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216179 Archived-At: --94eb2c129552b8d132055393abe2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > I wish someone would write a package comparable to Magit that > we could get legal papers for and include it in Emacs. > =E2=80=8BRichard, I cannot let this go without commenting. Do you understand what you are advocating? In Jonas you have someone who is doing just about everything right per your notion of software freedom including applying gpl v3. He has made significant personal sacrifices to provide emacs with a package that is unique among editors and IDEs. It could emerge as one of those oh-so-elusive creatures: a true killer app for the emacs platform. Jonas has and continues to deliver a steady stream of features, bug fixes and refinements. Magit is clearly a work of love that is wonderfully supported. Jonas has exhibited admirable project leadership skill and has published a detailed, credible map to the future: https://github.com/magit/magit/projects/1 Some of us care enough about developers like Jonas and the value he is delivering to emacs that we have responded to his plea for financial support via PayPal, Patreon or Bountysource. Were Jonas' effort invested in a non-GNU project, or at least not one so dear to you heart as emacs, I suspect that you would applaud his work. Instead you seem to advocate undercutting Jonas' efforts with no good reason to believe that you would get a replacement of anywhere near the same quality. Further, were you actually to mount such a competing effort I am confident that long before it ever delivered any useful amount of functionality you, the emacs community, and the gnu effort would harvest significant bad press. Sometimes community might be more important than copyright assignment. Please reconsider you request. /john --94eb2c129552b8d132055393abe2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Ju= l 4, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
I wish someone would= write a package comparable to Magit that
we could get legal papers for and include it in Emacs.

=E2=80=8BRichard,

I cannot let this= go without commenting.=C2=A0 Do you understand what
you are advoca= ting?

In Jonas you have someone who is doing just abou= t everything
right per your notion of software freedom including ap= plying gpl v3.
He has made significant personal sacrifices to provi= de emacs with
a package that is unique among editors and IDEs.=C2= =A0 It could emerge
as one of those oh-so-elusive creatures: a true= killer app for the
emacs platform.

Jonas has = and continues to deliver a steady stream of features,
bug fixes and= refinements.=C2=A0 Magit is clearly a work of love that is
wonderf= ully supported.=C2=A0 Jonas has exhibited admirable project
lea= dership skill and has published a detailed, credible map to
the fut= ure:

=C2=A0 https://github.com/magit/magit/projects/1
Some of us care enough about developers like Jonas and the
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ">value he is delivering to emacs that we have responded to his
ple= a for financial support via PayPal, Patreon or Bountysource.

Were Jonas' effort invested in a non-GNU project, or at least no= t
one so dear to you heart as emacs, I suspect that you would
=
applaud his work.

Instead you seem to advocate un= dercutting Jonas' efforts with
no good reason to believe that = you would get a replacement of
anywhere near the same quality.=C2= =A0 Further, were you actually to
mount such a competing effort I= am confident that long before it
ever delivered any useful amoun= t of functionality you, the emacs
community, and the gnu effort w= ould harvest significant bad press.

Sometimes communit= y might be more important than copyright
assignment.=C2=A0 Please r= econsider you request.

/john

<= /div>
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