From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <83d02re2uk.fsf@gnu.org> <838sdfdzxo.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912121603.bsp53vgfwj3y62in@Ergus> <831rj7dvhg.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912131802.fiowctrzc2yx4ozu@Ergus> <83y2lfcdq2.fsf@gnu.org> <83d02pdb7b.fsf@gnu.org> <0deb5f7b-43f1-2611-b99d-327520eae158@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35923"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii , Yuan Fu , Ergus , Emacs developers To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 14 14:49:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHnvb-0009G8-0B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:49:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33560 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHnva-0003jn-0q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:49:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHnnd-00016I-RQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:41:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-f45.google.com ([209.85.167.45]:42204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHnnb-0001gz-QD; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:41:37 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-f45.google.com with SMTP id b12so13240034lfp.9; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 05:41:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jzXaXEyKRKJPw3Wi67AIpF6xf6hjwTHT58delN54OnQ=; b=g05YoLcTh/8794nY+ty/KjkjCkCjM6vUjtkvGIQbqh5duVTotWO8yQ58e15ffr65GC BiI8yZknJky5i0it8nUvMkCeUltbr4jsApw4QT+zUlGUUj9+ojVINY9vff7AD3TbKVvw J9Y4qGwbeOAkHBN8V9N/GsqvX2GhTXlOTGq9OFRJCjEMQH6Euxx3nzSHvh+YiFfoeNN8 JGsLIr8r6LyCqrohjxAMIDoQ1paoa7J29hrB7z9DeQpimn2yh7MjvwfCGUZfJy/mxJIP UdQU6j4L8eS8u6DHygLr+2YiRkM9nn2bo/IDiT7anVOsSrIuW8uNZ4IJCVcfIYYoz3Rm r2sw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53365++fbOjpXZy9vZrtljr0ZyytG/XfmqwnmbY/oc/lfYRLk5H0 vVFIMwdiPgiI2Ca71Ks3VNpKnMwUZg6Jenrt5iE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxpfQJORN5rbewHnf6sg+twK3BKRUvyhEgXYEe8EO35y5eDo/7DHx+Ppl1RF0Xe7qdQAjnMQc0J1itOrlc0oww= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:2027:: with SMTP id s7mr4318728lfs.75.1600087293584; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 05:41:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0deb5f7b-43f1-2611-b99d-327520eae158@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.167.45; envelope-from=john.yates.sheets@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-f45.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/14 08:41:34 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255640 Archived-At: On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:39 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 13.09.2020 19:38, John Yates wrote: > > An alternative UI model would be to think of growing a frame top > > minibuffer as dropping down a shade over the existing window(s). > > This dropping down would not trigger resizing. Instead it would > > obscure as much of the visible window(s) as necessary (at least > > until the shade hits a window mode line or lower border). > > That's what maple-minibuffer does, mentioned in my previous email in > this thread. With a link to a screencast. Only up to a point... The pop-up frame is fixed size. When the maple framei s not popped up the minibuffer remains at the bottom of the frame. My druthers on a large screen would be to have: * The minibuffer always at the top of the frame * Window mode lines at the top of their windows * On growing the minibuffer, no attempt to keep point or windows visible (i.e. a variable-height drop-down shade) /john