Drew,

You and I are old "grey beards".  My point was that mentioning things that
we - as seasoned users of Emacs - like is quite a bit different from
imagining the website as a sales pitch to someone who has not used Emacs
but _might_ - given an appropriate message - be coaxed into trying it.  If
you accept such messaging as the site's first goal then you have to try to
put yourself in the mindset of such a viewer.

Your comments suggest that perhaps you do not buy into that being the first
goal.

/john

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:

> FWIW -
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> (My assumption is that anyone who does not already have some exposure to
> the command-line is a lost cause, but I would be happy to be corrected.)
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> I disagree. You do not need to be familiar with using a CLI to use Emacs.
> (I use M-x grep, and that's about it, these days.)
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> * Hence any mention of Lisp seems inappropriate.  We had better hope that
> Emacs' Out-Of-Box impression is good enough to motivate - in time - an
> interest in Lisp, rather than presume it.  Even more off-putting are the
> fine points of various Lisp dialects and Lisp extensions.
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> Not presuming "*an interest in Lisp*" is not the same as forbidding "*any
> mention of Lisp*". And I disagree that any mention of Lisp is
> inappropriate.
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> I agree that no mention need be made of different Lisps or dive into
> specific aspects of Lisp.
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> But it can be mentioned that you have available a powerful, easy-to-use
> (yes), very high-level programming language to extend and interact with
> Emacs. And yes, this is end-user stuff. (IMHO)
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> * Displaying Lisp code is probably not a great "come-on".
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> Simple Lisp code need not be a giant turn-off either, and need not be
> verboten in this context.
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