From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:21:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40192"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Howard Melman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 07 20:26:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUCt5-000AKt-My for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 20:26:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44596 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUCt4-0001uC-G7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:26:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56398) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUCnz-0007c4-BW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-f174.google.com ([209.85.208.174]:34505) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUCnw-0006Ub-W2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-f174.google.com with SMTP id f16so21874157ljm.1 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 11:21:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=r/tIkvGYaeDvUhco/lDmvqeUgV/ucb7JtJJXWJfxmwA=; b=jyUl7k3ZTzEO5ypLvwNq94In+VlPoJynG66YpQ+7FvvrkXT0cZvqjA516k6JOzkbVc eRv7/rz9sO+jnD5gOSdL4wJDDagT7wA6VW8EyIZI6ZXxB2ZU7SoK/9iaKWtS0JXKcjyk Gxchz7m4MYFsOGGKTq7czW4EapEwqPSHUAas6J6+V0AD1rPmAP80LBFtyjbuul17jp+2 attv2zvwzlzcL8CeB/2MI40jrWKbsdbksATfVOj8grmh43VPG4MIP7nB4ig7zDf7IoN3 9rZU5NSYVQAfORuhCxOLP14ymR2eBZr8XNACJ7gDeJ44VoubCTyZcR/Pau/L7lvdSQv2 VAbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531yrestTJBclD6LICJCt12yck+egeYAv0qzSMagoeJbCKZSnqzU Nhoz9YRPWgu3ZdScudHGhqrQhFzJMp61SvyQzd0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx1B8ReGp3XFUr35fNxHo4lmI4xwi569kLO6nDAqkpMFg7cEsoqEnu7MOSXg15c+NpuLlKpPUWNcKYRRXoJfIY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7807:: with SMTP id t7mr2958315ljc.313.1617819686644; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.174; envelope-from=john.yates.sheets@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-f174.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267556 Archived-At: Meta comment: I find it much easier to internalize commands for which I am offered an obvious mnemonic. I do not know if doing so is one of your goals, but if not might, I suggest it? That would include using some form of highlighting to call out the mnemonic. So, for instance, rather than c Show help for key briefly This is easier to memorize (and more accurate?) c Echo [c]ommand bound to input event /john