From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Packages quality Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 10:52:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <164145738158.2838.5769558384331859964@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220106082302.0A19CC0DA1E@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87k0fdmbat.fsf@posteo.net> <87tueh3s2x.fsf@posteo.net> <3c5d2b69-7292-4e15-82e5-9f146979257d@www.fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Bozhidar Batsov , Stefan Monnier , Emacs Devel To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 07 16:57:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n5rbx-0009AT-9t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 16:57:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33696 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5rbw-0002tb-5S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 10:57:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5rYA-0005xc-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 10:53:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ua1-f43.google.com ([209.85.222.43]:35733) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5rY6-00071M-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 10:53:06 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ua1-f43.google.com with SMTP id o20so10965687uat.2 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 07:53:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UF7BgVRgMiIQ0i02356sfHfuRFqKml9eMzSz4FEc+lk=; b=JHGQIeblpEY97jT3oq8yZx7hk7ErakYFkzVzA5J+w30wnXgRSBlPXHS0+p2gXKsa+j 3qnxa8xFCcSlWcnFQMtgbMfyJGgvEzWPsUpYbTSZUB2NcvdkKKurqYJGhBFbgcAzmo/L pnfAuyHUfFlPTiTDX95rKkfyij/EaFpvHSYYrMiJ7mBnL4mBsjYxpFHLgA57VXV36RFe 0gv+Y5lzQhPkQcmdJnJIXKbcakxxvYG4Qtm6Vc9NAtlxMZNyj/md40tn/iwp2QE3UTPG 2pPz2bhu7v0X765KLs4ZZgEoAul6kdd/SGTqJPwFGhLY/Sk3DH1+CKvilF1CbZ0gnB/H AwVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533oSS87mE5nk42KOyw2KzUx8C1zYSELiXOn577TW/8bCZhi5TkS WRwxu2Xlwq5owXRptIEmoR7Z5eqNRPC1S7srad4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJydcZRnTGffNNZCZ3mAz6E/u7MaiCeUOityavX+mQRAS6abmilZ0+mhDLiW8uBO9fevUzOiTErMA5RickasYcQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:4a5:: with SMTP id r5mr19262571vsa.22.1641570781456; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 07:53:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.222.43; envelope-from=john.yates.sheets@gmail.com; helo=mail-ua1-f43.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284423 Archived-At: Stefan, you did indeed write 'package.el' which I then misread as 'use-package.el'. My apologies. I agree that finding a way to integrate straight-like capabilities into emac's core package management is much to be desired. /john On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:16 AM Stefan Kangas wrote: > > John Yates writes: > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 2:56 AM Stefan Kangas wrote: > >> > >> I don't know if this is what you mean, but one example that comes to > >> mind is how straight.el is not at all integrated with package.el (which > >> in your opinion, IIRC, could be rectified). > > > > As a very happy user of straight I feel that Radon Rosborough, > > straight's author, is being unfairly maligned. > > I don't understand. How is it maligning, unfairly or otherwise, the > author of some package to say that it could be integrated with another > package? > > > He has integrated straight exactly as John Wiegley intended. From > > use-package's README.md: > > I believe the discussion was about package.el, not use-package.el. -- John Yates 505 Tremont St, #803 Boston, MA 02116