From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New key binding syntax Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 08:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o87hrte4.fsf@posteo.net> <878rylccyi.fsf@gnus.org> <87fssssz57.fsf@posteo.net> <87v91oc49k.fsf@gnus.org> <877de2a746.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf2d5obc.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee82r8p0.fsf@gnus.org> <87v91dnsxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87czngmfbc.fsf@gmail.com> <87cznfvod7.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilx7pmf7.fsf@gnus.org> <87cznfnxt4.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23895"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Robert Pluim , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 05 13:24:21 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1miyGb-0005yK-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:24:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39110 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1miyGY-00046R-Mm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:24:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1miyDc-0000lY-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:21:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-f41.google.com ([209.85.208.41]:44683) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1miyDa-0001Je-8L; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-f41.google.com with SMTP id j21so32241495edt.11; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 05:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QvZnawSyMhHSYIOkghY9XeO8YQc4MEc7eCDX6Ukpbpo=; b=0N5CQDJjKLErwNzYIL1S5yQcUIRygje4HnAZ5a6h6ZH4aEn0Q7Jxut6nJiT0kmfnGG vKisbCTmOkQsiivb2A6Gb/+GrjkUObzotxC8R9pr9+piWQJpOSra2QnLKmRInuLgl/iO vOc68cggAIl/ir6+YpLw/GvCm3uDbNbFhswvIfnbmQoyi1SnUooPDFoJ8PhmgRWXBYrB 2+C/LycL2iqXD7ekkNnfvaNI2cii3flY0rY4ySSkPGGhb/Et4bJWGFpAV9qgpenbKCuP SXOGI74fzyfO+Gb7Xp+G/9Mv7jxvdBls6bX5v1bvVtsLvdsvclIkAsP4Eroyx2jDvQZz WliQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530BOldZOV5SGg/WTVY5XU771+yNO52g2nitAXS2JfWKx3vywc2f glXGRBot/dggKOo7wjZ4ba3vHmrcUA0UlIO9uGg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzQFiie4tGrq0b8di+WJ1yB+wvzMkA+IFBdl4uVwNuiM/kHxzRdqa8S3FON+Bvt+v/RJHanB4xZe0I5eZ2ztzM= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d416:: with SMTP id z22mr49712384edq.334.1636114872057; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 05:21:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87cznfnxt4.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.41; envelope-from=john.yates.sheets@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-f41.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278762 Archived-At: On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 10:25 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > There is value in having the same string being presented by `C-h b' as > the one you use in your .emacs -- there's no confusion about whether > there's any difference between "C-c C-M-a" and "C-c M-C-a", and when > Emacs says that the key is "C-c C-M-a", you know that you can grep the > sources for exactly the string "C-c C-M-a" and find the binding. Can you point to other situations, familiar to Emacs users, where a similar formulation of whitespace occurs? Contrast that with the nearly countless context in which whitespace is a lexical pattern. And in Emacs especially, when would I grep for the source of a binding after having it displayed by Emacs. My immediate response would be "C-h k". Finally, I will point out that you are retracting current keydef functionality. /john