From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Corwin Brust Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dear Emacs developers, Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 21:49:22 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23437"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Robert Boyer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 19 04:50:35 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rbufr-0005tq-2t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 04:50:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbuex-0005uI-IS; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:49:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbueu-0005to-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:49:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com ([209.85.210.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbuet-0004JR-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:49:36 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-6ddf26eba3cso3047883a34.0 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:49:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708314574; x=1708919374; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=a7+Ax8xcwGBS0vUcyNKGFciWW5p43YyG612rDpUFgH0=; b=NXbQtt0b/RRZHeMZmP5aitslndKvtj0+cfcz01G0W9gN2URsEM33Nb0Un6TnGQ9a8N C9HCrJDl+WS0dzttE9w1/87TKXuDtBhH/xBkXrh1delnz7fuPIlDslsR8v1UT5DtpIOP Ws8sD4LywE2gpIUaPchMGUAdQ7lHtPU/N7uFiUeHXd0OWaUI7ZpB7R1+UFWszn0vkBrK vyVfzKV7DiP+0CydyDJsZEpMUgDE6aY4ZShnkNyeDgK9L+6tmm4J7mYtdHdeUS7nUPOv 5r/3MbtxoTkyIaMZRK3yNFay+VKocXhQH+i+AG64zLl6m/WY6/eiua2WtBI9r4m4HvNC CfbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxa59fA2FcfyRspoln0NRlQZbRZ1hk1xBv5+w+2Inl1kpLpvGjD ihAxZIqR/kKRZZK24PviHW9HpKApZc38Sx4buVnrgQHa/AczIPK3XAFBdVTL5bRR9xF/3VYiWNN 7sDmhiKqOWBrYoLLo0VB2oz7S64o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGCl8e6EJgfwM8dUR+h/7i4UbPSHDh9nMuphcGXRlHJ5DjpjhrDTHVpYLzoQO7ARzlS9A01MpEo0buHoFY1Upc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7ad7:0:b0:6e2:eb00:7551 with SMTP id m23-20020a9d7ad7000000b006e2eb007551mr12039165otn.21.1708314573814; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:49:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.210.43; envelope-from=mplscorwin@gmail.com; helo=mail-ot1-f43.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316336 Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 6:17=E2=80=AFPM Robert Boyer wrote: > > Emacs' native-compiler needs to handle 'declare' and 'the', even if they = are not yet in Emacs Lisp. > Thank you for your enthusiasm and interest in improving Emacs Robert - excelsior :) > > I cannot help, but I can easily give you trivial Common Lisp code to show= what I am talking about. > Considering common lisp, abstractly, as a way to generate ideas to improve Emacs has been discussed before. I think we have mostly agreed to take those conversations to another list, emacs-tangents@gnu.org however as things come to a point of discussing a specific change to Emacs that might come back to this list. It's all very complicated I suppose, but: emacs-tangents is the ideal place to rouse like minded people to help propose specific changes, IMO. > > HIghest regards to you all, > Same