From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Corwin Brust Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 22:57:50 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20220205193944.836651.FMU2130669@unexploded-cow.prv.splode.com> <87o83kphri.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfsv62nf.fsf@gnus.org> <87fsovmqd9.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leynz8th.fsf@gnus.org> <87leynjrpv.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h79bz6kb.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6f3jq02.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mtj3xqx1.fsf@gnus.org> <176C779C-0332-42D2-858D-22FB15F28E73@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6712"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Noah Friedman , Emacs developers To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 07 05:59:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nGw7m-0001eo-1x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 05:59:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41532 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGw7k-0006iA-Jp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:59:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53784) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGw6I-0004vN-4c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:58:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-f53.google.com ([209.85.218.53]:44833) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGw6F-0004AM-Sd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:58:05 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-f53.google.com with SMTP id ka4so38275406ejc.11 for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 20:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qx3riS3T089ZnW6GfeNhyrBNWoqCrVO23+PwFHo1B3w=; b=acjqUwinXDfHtPqQf9BLre1w4TQPeurc76bjlmg1gTc/nPI7C2L3Gifghz9lYycGxa hR9h9O1dMqfFHJkgGfqFNlVBPgHhulyldL+tSGjwKc/4f0YQmEDezxhbWgi90OzG+VVW qOqnOOfIn9JPtRbQkFZg+7fWlHiGtY7xjCtu2XU8StlesFpI9HH0NMOF+4AKfo2z/Z4P P97qqhEug34klhzEeT2CJpOGshR1rcHvvV5L3/m+HF1kuU8zeXwnZNB6zDBJ3wtQnkxM r1D2llGl14KFTMfuLbbsXu0eCoRJzREFqjHmIz1gbmhs+gpSL3S3q4/Q8Qn4mqk0Lyjh pR9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532GrB8e6PzDdrp1DH2YSdWvIDlgllVDSCvk0jeGmQ4ULzsRb5Pp j7rONiZoa4s9v6NSACnAdrt2zJhRCSWTy2JsDyQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxwzx/KFhfK0yArQu4chr7RFNm/q0rKVm18hYjbzWifaonIDRslLHXqOr8hvrwY0qzEKO+qJm/cR3g3fpV7Dw4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4fd2:: with SMTP id i18mr8654703ejw.206.1644209881277; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 20:58:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <176C779C-0332-42D2-858D-22FB15F28E73@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.218.53; envelope-from=mplscorwin@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-f53.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286012 Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:46 PM Po Lu wrote: > > Our tail is not strong enough to wag the dog > that is the X window system. Other programs > have decided to follow the standardized behavior, > and the only result of us not following suit is that > we will no longer be able to run on the same X server > as any other modern client without causing problems. FWIW, I don't think we are attempting to "wag the dog" here, in terms of influencing the X foundation, so much as to prevent changes in the behavior of Emacs that the users (at least, all who have chimed in here excluding you who made this change and presumably like it) prefer.