From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rustom Mody Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:33:26 +0530 Message-ID: References: <8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org> <1730ebf3-db44-498c-b2a9-4d288d83a946@default> <87k3h6xuen.fsf@yandex.ru> <1878e4fa-50f2-4655-a4ff-30d1db708ee8@default> <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu> <36f9f9af-4a5c-46a9-8ba3-a542d902b7f6@default> <52662D0C.100@poczta.onet.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382443434 17451 80.91.229.3 (22 Oct 2013 12:03:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Jarek Czekalski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 22 14:03:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYagm-0004wh-RK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:03:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44470 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYagm-0000k1-8P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:03:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33951) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYagi-0000jh-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:03:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYage-00050d-1D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:03:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]:53345) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYagd-00050T-Q2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz1so7785748pad.16 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:03:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=aemgKOcjIEALK8X+Xtr+D2ulibrxjOfzD3mJX6l6fkw=; b=WxSF2f/Gr6ixPMk0t+ufLCqTXzjtmrA7KPuYY0vAYnIBP7V7xQSUvavQg//RapBVj4 037w31PAuka6xwvUhjXD32dzaK7Msb+f3+Msz0qA7rdg/CH917g92HvqeqnTj+yXb3GC iVQF8jSg6de0UeMfXaUktSGMNGa+Ivyst5NdILFuFg3b1Hi/o++TRi3Yurwr453TNgP3 ab1+e/ZJT+GUYWrJTt8O+FlIHuw+GqnBnahcOeOAc60TnCeA/W95eAehz1AnIYivEHfv dPQH2is8cIImcrwc9YlbY/kz6U9pYaap2QBB9qOj3cGbI0mvKhzsiIGA1OaD2fZtYBAE x3jQ== X-Received: by 10.67.21.130 with SMTP id hk2mr23388937pad.76.1382443426349; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.68.233.74 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52662D0C.100@poczta.onet.pl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164453 Archived-At: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jarek Czekalski wrote: > A small non-counting voice on the RET behaviour from Emacs newbie: As a newbie (to this list though not emacs) myself, I tend to agree myself. Just remember that when you say: > So more generally I would stick to the following rule: do everything like > others do, unless there are serious reasons to do it differently. Do you realize that "doing everything like others do" may require heavy-duty rewrites? Someone has to do that. That someone should be motivated. As a personal example, I am trying to put together something that will make APL usable under emacs. The code will at most be a few hundred lines of elisp and maybe a few dozen of xmodmap if I can wrap my head round that (if I do manage it). If the expected scale was a hundred thousand lines (or more), I would not even think about it. So 1. Demands for change are good; just have a sense of the scale 2. Personally I would wish emacs to be more 'modern' -- yeah thats a vague wishy-washy statement :-) Rusi -- http://www.the-magus.in http://blog.languager.org