From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Visher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: python.el changes in emacs-24 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <85silp26f5.fsf@stephe-leake.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407245587 16535 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2014 13:33:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Development List To: Stephen Leake Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 05 15:33:02 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XEerN-0002RK-Ja for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 15:33:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59495 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEerN-0007Yo-2s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:33:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32971) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEer9-0007YL-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:32:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEepr-0002xz-Kb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:32:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]:64439) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEepr-0002xr-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a108so934334qge.38 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 06:31:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=YFPyPJ6a5+/1KOOn4GG+Vf35GyIjekmxLWBpdf+WIgg=; b=L3nCWUW1N5gEMUYOgi7MKVjYQzyGuGbEXERUcBDhsrxK5UWyYHNIuJPs3B9hxeb6la MXqflRBzm8oNBAJloWhzGj6uOarQGsr2yBkVjJ2T+f/t2fl+6pASC5RcFBVTDTXpZL/E 2qraqLDsWQRun5pQkSkiRpZrUaZVP9wYSD1aKO1RMCWTMNO6iJlzWDAkgSmVHiO9Qaqz Cy7qh0Cl7h2TEgKUfvMpX/1tXjGiv2rMW1ky0I7VDxQzZg34ZyhynRBXEbjj8JsQ+GKo YLTqMrHEWfLuIaPYMCU5XRrHvu39oRcTixGe9fh0BUxW8yjmXmeQ2z2y3gc3WXaT8b/j ehRA== X-Received: by 10.224.79.139 with SMTP id p11mr5486040qak.93.1407245485281; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 06:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.140.27.172 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 06:30:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <85silp26f5.fsf@stephe-leake.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173437 Archived-At: Since my terse statement earlier has already been explained quite well by Stephen, I'll simply say that I agree with what he said. I think the best way to gain support for the Free Software Movement is by making Free Software the best software, a goal which, I believe (and I would hope everyone here would agree), is actually _aided_ by the software itself being Free. So when I hear things like "We're not in the business of competing", it translates in my head to "We're not in the business of showing people why Free Software matters and how it can help them." It's no skin off my back; I'll continue to use and love Emacs and other GNU software. But it'll continue to make it harder to 'sell' it to my friends, who think Sublime Text is _so_ much better because it comes with saner defaults, more features (out of the box and visible to the eye), and a prettier ui. I have, however, made no real contributions to this community so I understand if my voice is small, but I figured it's worth saying nonetheless. -- In Christ, Timmy V. http://blog.twonegatives.com/ http://five.sentenc.es/ -- Spend less time on mail