From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dani Moncayo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:27:24 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8739g0vyuy.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4E6FF63A.4070604@gmail.com> <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> <874o07m3ay.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20110921090406.GA2537@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316597267 14285 80.91.229.12 (21 Sep 2011 09:27:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Welsh Duggan , dan.colascione@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, chad , drew.adams@oracle.com To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 21 11:27:42 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J5h-0000Wl-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:27:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48411 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J5g-0005Wd-QY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:27:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41422) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J5e-0005WM-7G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:27:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J5Y-0002g5-MD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:27:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:61493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J5R-0002f6-JI; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:27:25 -0400 Original-Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so1174483gya.0 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:27:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wGFiPXp+BmtdQak7yhfzYprv1AoMtNoVJB0G5ufs2lc=; b=ldfCUXRWmetPa+2+iJ2t4DzXCS2unaBeBTulAxHEAtWMfbTtKwZyS/qoC0sn5g5/el zxU3fKj/pMzTq7I8ISzsRa1k1e8Itl1QGkh98gRjnyLQbgnsI90rW5F1Ae3L4E/0OPln Yz17em6OwBT0MuhorEHLqLbDXnhrwNwlLMtNc= Original-Received: by 10.236.145.161 with SMTP id p21mr3254726yhj.123.1316597244830; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.236.207.6 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:27:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110921090406.GA2537@acm.acm> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.160.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144144 Archived-At: >> FWIW: Several people have expressed this idea, with which I agree. >> C-u should do nothing by itself (and that includes not exiting >> Isearch, of course). > > C-u is bound to a command, namely `universal-argument', and we do our > users a disservice if we try to pretend otherwise. I don't pretend otherwise, at all. What you say does not conflict with my point, AFAIU. >> Its only effect should be to provide a prefix argument to the next >> command, to extend its behavior. > > No. =A0When in isearch, it first exits isearch and then generates the > prefix argument (4). =A0It exits isearch like (almost) any other > non-character keysequence does. I'm sorry, but I fail to see the need for C-u to do something (exit Isearch) prematurely. As I said, I would be much better to wait for the "real" command before deciding what to do. That makes a lot more sense to me. YMMV. --=20 Dani Moncayo