From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Michael Reilly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:53:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87394cpxm5.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878ve3h90z.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2522218884e04c5f5c0cb X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343559194 11512 80.91.229.3 (29 Jul 2012 10:53:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: William Gardella Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 29 12:53:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SvR7Z-0008Ic-UX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:53:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38108 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvR7Z-0003BH-CP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59631) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvR7W-0003BB-U4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:53:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvR7V-00030l-9j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:53:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:42364) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvR7V-00030f-0G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so8823099pbb.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 03:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=1AU+enBACnHgFq+CH5Vt4zqk8889en91vJc7aMAkuLU=; b=UWx7UJ0SViNdq+IXkXEYZMXzgEEUL/iDhLBvOAxdE7lAcAnF3pSRR7aa8BuwKOl62x KCanKPlZ4VoNYiuhioRUfUncsf0gyhLtbpJI7kjHnysMx27aBRG0joxbONdKE4OIqZYa k8XhhwvTbnL0NfHw5DlAE61qF8DmR/og0EJepXYkqzOO7UsrrrOFgVI6PiMYmorDhx0v SAoWNZCS5u/L+vS8t9M9V+asJSL8TNrF+gPEjnTeglpKH11I7ZrAfcLMD7iG3wjrEuSj 5VCcxuO5Wi15HMEdWo53WYRpaigs+ktuSiHyZIwaEF1M8HB0Wy8A7WhZTZqkfgIwKUqU 21HA== Original-Received: by 10.68.116.203 with SMTP id jy11mr26714583pbb.129.1343559187335; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 03:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.142.163.4 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 03:53:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878ve3h90z.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmCBMKIFQWAI3xefUHpeq9RhMSONJd2KEBUONAywx7+uQXCkj/km9s3yXPffm6z1nZ57EwP X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151952 Archived-At: --e89a8ff2522218884e04c5f5c0cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, William Gardella wrote: > Paul Michael Reilly writes: > > ... > > I use this all the time. What I'm trying to accomplish is to > > integrate Emacs into the Browser via a plugin/extension mechanism. > > My underlying model is Chrome OS where you cannot install Emacs for > > something like Edit_with_Emacs to connect via the Emacs server. > > > > -pmr > > As I understand it, you can install software onto a Chromebook or > similar by putting the device into developer/non-signed-boot mode, after > which it is similar to installing stuff on a Gentoo box. Even without > resorting to that, one could always SSH into a "proper" GNU system with > an Emacs server installed; this is what I have long done on work > computers (usually Windows boxes) that don't permit me to install > software. There is a working SSH client in the Chrome Web Store. > Again, my goal is to have a seamless, robust Emacs experience when editing or viewing files in a Web constrained device. Nothing exemplifies the experience I am after more than visiting an org-mode file on my server directly or via something like Google Drive or Drop Box and having the file handler be Emacs, i.e. I visit https://my.server.com/foo.org and rather than see the browser display something akin to "Sorry, I don't know how to deal with that, Jim", I want the opened tab to display what org-mode would display and keystrokes in the tab to be interpreted as org-mode would, by an Emacs instance handling the file. Using an ssh type mechanism is neither seamless, robust nor practical. Other than that, I think the cause is basically hopeless; a Chromebook > is a Tivoized device. > My cause is not hopeless, I am convinced. I've never used a Tivo so I do not understand the analogy. Also, I use the Chromebook as a name to characterize an experience: where a browser is the main (possibly sole) application and all computing is done via URL references. This computing model is important to me because it enormously simplifies my computing environment and allows me to focus on hacking rather than system administration. It also allows me to use commodity hardware, although I will be the first to admit that the initial Chromebook devices were underpowered and less than useful. On my MacBook Air, I basically use Chrome and Emacs, which was the catalyst to asking the question: is there a way to combine the two seamlessly? I cannot imagine Emacs ever being a Chrome replacement but I can imagine Emacs handling a file in a Chrome tab. Now I just need to find a practical way to make it happen. :-) -pmr --e89a8ff2522218884e04c5f5c0cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, William Gardell= a <gardellawg@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul Michael Reilly <pmr@pajato.com> writes:

...
> I use this all the time. =A0What I'm trying to accomplish is to > integrate Emacs into the Browser via a plugin/extension mechanism.
> =A0My underlying model is Chrome OS where you cannot install Emacs for=
> something like Edit_with_Emacs to connect via the Emacs server.
>
> -pmr

As I understand it, you can install software onto a Chromebook or
similar by putting the device into developer/non-signed-boot mode, after which it is similar to installing stuff on a Gentoo box. =A0Even without resorting to that, one could always SSH into a "proper" GNU syste= m with
an Emacs server installed; this is what I have long done on work
computers (usually Windows boxes) that don't permit me to install
software. =A0There is a working SSH client in the Chrome Web Store.

Again, my goal is to have a seamless, robust E= macs experience when editing or viewing files in a Web constrained device. = =A0Nothing exemplifies the experience I am after more than visiting an org-= mode file on my server directly or via something like Google Drive or Drop = Box and having the file handler be Emacs, i.e. I visit https://my.server.com/foo.org and rather than see= the browser display something akin to "Sorry, I don't know how to= deal with that, Jim", I want the opened tab to display what org-mode = would display and keystrokes in the tab to be interpreted as org-mode would= , by an Emacs instance handling the file.

Using an ssh type mechanism is neither seamless, robust= nor practical.

Other than that, I think the cause is basically hopeless; a Chromebook
is a Tivoized device.

My cause is not h= opeless, I am convinced. =A0I've never used a Tivo so I do not understa= nd the analogy. =A0Also, I use the Chromebook as a name to characterize an = experience: where a browser is the main (possibly sole) application and all= computing is done via URL references. =A0This computing model is important= to me because it enormously simplifies my computing environment and allows= me to focus on hacking rather than system administration. =A0It also allow= s me to use commodity hardware, although I will be the first to admit that = the initial Chromebook devices were underpowered and less than useful. =A0O= n my MacBook Air, I basically use Chrome and Emacs, which was the catalyst = to asking the question: is there a way to combine the two seamlessly? =A0I = cannot imagine Emacs ever being a Chrome replacement but I can imagine Emac= s handling a file in a Chrome tab. =A0Now I just need to find a practical w= ay to make it happen. :-)

-pmr
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