From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Michael Reilly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X development Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:16:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87r4s68rr4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83A41E83-79C8-4490-966B-CD224041E840@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04289c899f3b4c04c57279a5 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342995375 4558 80.91.229.3 (22 Jul 2012 22:16:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:16:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 23 00:16:15 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1St4Rf-0006Nk-Kn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:16:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49777 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1St4Re-0000iO-Dy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:16:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59773) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1St4Rb-0000iJ-Is for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1St4Ra-00071x-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:16:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:57234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1St4Ra-00071q-3r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:16:06 -0400 Original-Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so11707943pbb.0 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Jc/bC1kAoCJ5V8wuGK/ZlIakvbAFSgNX0cCbIV2+C1Y=; b=QdmA7YUxE3KL8In8LgN5YP0Uh2F/VBEhXusKwJUwmOCBnLLdfWB3F+jZvQE19CoxJV KUaa/wD45t+iVWLl8CR7DFEICUZWPHyVT1EtTkD5CCg0sh8wU96VNDiWO/bxV982bByc 8s8n9jf+dcMhytufPwtD5DTSeKBTB3H8FAGqAHVNvfQ4ptFxhoEhnm7CmD0OsYR6NAuA H8EgKd8frD2mO6pVueTyohI8AbtzoA5hScxOqg0J/YGxuwh2iN3DLM0m4ouGssO24e5b VhzoF1HGDXGcigGvPvnGD+I80yLPYPOinFEGGDofQSiCNkrUxNJJNW8Og3fHwYWYurib CqkA== Original-Received: by 10.66.89.170 with SMTP id bp10mr26503328pab.12.1342995364264; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.142.163.4 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQny9E6bPvFOI2PKjorkbx989Q3ZEHOAFJPtPJkSOaD6W//vzcLkveEqrjQdGCE8mWv6e/FM X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151801 Archived-At: --f46d04289c899f3b4c04c57279a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > NS port is ugly, and has problems with C-g, font rendering, modifier > keys, > > multiprocessing, networking. > > None of that is inherent, i.e. it can all be fixed without having to use > a different API. So we need to someone to step up to the plate and > provide patches. > First, I think someone needs to step up to the plate and prove the allegations. There have been a few of us, at least, who have spoken up that these behaviors do not occur for us. So I'm guessing the problem lies in how the binary is built and/or tested. That said, should there be a real problem with the ns port, or a valuable feature inherent to the mac port, I will be glad to apply effort where needed. I also think you are giving short shrift to the ageless problem of engineers finding it distasteful to work on an existing body of code. This is what I conclude happened with Yamamoto wrt the ns port. And if you were to argue that what one engineer finds distasteful, another might find elegant ... I would rest your case. :-) -pmr --f46d04289c899f3b4c04c57279a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Monnier = <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> NS port is ugly, and has problems with C-g, font rendering, modifier k= eys,
> multiprocessing, networking.

None of that is inherent, i.e. it can all be fixed without having to use a different API. =A0So we need to someone to step up to the plate and
provide patches.

First, I think someone= needs to step up to the plate and prove the allegations. =A0There have bee= n a few of us, at least, who have spoken up that these behaviors do not occ= ur for us. =A0So I'm guessing the problem lies in how the binary is bui= lt and/or tested.

That said, should there be a real problem with the ns p= ort, or a valuable feature inherent to the mac port, I will be glad to appl= y effort where needed.

I also think you are giving= short shrift to the ageless problem of engineers finding it distasteful to= work on an existing body of code. =A0This is what I conclude happened with= Yamamoto wrt the ns port. =A0And if you were to argue that what one engine= er finds distasteful, another might find elegant ... I would rest your case= . :-)

-pmr

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