From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Homeros Misasa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: VC menu ? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216254 Archived-At: --94eb2c12f5365f946b0553b2ad4e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" How about to organize popup-menu? Popup-menu does not concern width. I list my special citizen (VC, iMenu, Buffer, Frame, Bookmark, and Recenf) in popup-menu via right click. Problem is, more work, members are getting closer to menu bar. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary < jean.christophe.helary@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:50, Mark Oteiza wrote: > > > > > > Ted Zlatanov writes: > >> On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 07:27:12 -0400 Mark Oteiza > wrote: > >> MO> Sarcasm aside, if you had ever flipped through the Emacs manual or > >> MO> scrolled through a list of keybindings, you would have been aware > of VC. > >> > >> I think menu-driven UI discovery is fun and an essential part of the GUI > >> experience. > > > > I agree. It's but one of many useful self-documenting facilities in > > Emacs. Unfortunately the original poster thinks the others are silly and > > that the menu should spoon feed. > > Not all the "others". I think your sarcasm is not smart and not relevant > to the discussion, I also think (and I wrote) that it *is* silly to > consider equivalent the VC menu and the Games and some other menus in the > context of a development text editor where version control is a core > feature. I also consider not useful the a posteriori exemples of > "discoverability" that pop up every time there is a question similar to the > one I asked. Discoverability should not be confused with exploration. > > I do understand Eli's considerations about screen real estate though, even > if I think with Ted and Oscar that VC should be considered a special > citizen of the top menu. Now, if you have anything of interest to add to > the discussion please do, otherwise I don't see much point going on. > > Jean-Christophe > --94eb2c12f5365f946b0553b2ad4e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about to organize popup-menu? Popup-menu does not= concern width.=C2=A0 I list my
special citizen (VC, iMenu, Buffer, Fram= e, Bookmark, and Recenf) in popup-menu
via right click.=C2=A0 Problem is= , more work, members are getting closer to menu bar.

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 1= 1:26 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@gma= il.com> wrote:

> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:50, Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com<= /a>> writes:
>> On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 07:27:12 -0400 Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu> wrote:
>> MO> Sarcasm aside, if you had ever flipped through the Emacs ma= nual or
>> MO> scrolled through a list of keybindings, you would have been= aware of VC.
>>
>> I think menu-driven UI discovery is fun and an essential part of t= he GUI
>> experience.
>
> I agree.=C2=A0 It's but one of many useful self-documenting facili= ties in
> Emacs.=C2=A0 Unfortunately the original poster thinks the others are s= illy and
> that the menu should spoon feed.

Not all the "others". I think your sarcasm is not sma= rt and not relevant to the discussion, I also think (and I wrote) that it *= is* silly to consider equivalent the VC menu and the Games and some other m= enus in the context of a development text editor where version control is a= core feature. I also consider not useful the a posteriori exemples of &quo= t;discoverability" that pop up every time there is a question similar = to the one I asked. Discoverability should not be confused with exploration= .

I do understand Eli's considerations about screen real estate though, e= ven if I think with Ted and Oscar that VC should be considered a special ci= tizen of the top menu. Now, if you have anything of interest to add to the = discussion please do, otherwise I don't see much point going on.

Jean-Christophe

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