From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 12:56:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <87wo5mc04t.fsf@fastmail.fm> <835zd5h6tq.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="3269"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Joost Kremers , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 12:57:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXNAE-0000l6-OA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:57:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41316 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXNAD-0004Pm-QM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 06:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXN9k-0003zf-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 06:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22f]:45849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXN9k-0000nD-06; Sat, 09 May 2020 06:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id h4so4343755ljg.12; Sat, 09 May 2020 03:56:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4OkMtLOekkgHgy8PZvlZQINSIsYR3jYOFhLeRJD6AO4=; b=CqAoXc+PpbWYkdoctx8gIfscDJhGr4vgDKV+wuQtPjw9QE4QCNdbY1NQx1tRQst6Go ZgLpCdWN8gxYtFswWvx+X5xWMJ51d3JI2jo4icRTrKZBw2WcducnPSQ1ydacxuqyWp4H dqYRIi7VBY3mwnVihQVDrEENOAurXowiQP+flXLj6JtitHwxZo9lUtOt5SKsIJv6M6QZ QbDL+OFxzbVkTzq3us65tXVehL39zkjKYuftyA6MtENzmXKP3+hG2/Om2Y9b4PSCSJzp xNq4OC38NutRRxG3/Uzx3fEEcfPFRK0Eo1aGD6v0HFsClAlFGvCx3pvavnJUUezdroc3 isAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4OkMtLOekkgHgy8PZvlZQINSIsYR3jYOFhLeRJD6AO4=; b=DMaE1+Ead4UBMrm0Qm9aLy99vtwxy+NsPD3UBKgRjnoUCa9JZSdBA7I1dWOq/75UF7 vBNvtGwSBNr0dQPD0RjXEUrYfUfbv1P/vBoTvnQT3AFO+IVK81OMtjrvXRr9rbKJYPpM /YZMzV8fw9debEzsFL3Gpisr7tee3xBFj1nT7QxllnYWtFcezrdJVRs7SKknJ1MFmZeK aZPJ4m4EPjcP2USpr4aDTcRp5pXumZ7IawX7y/2KTyRSXKqTRwL0pNzMSuaaGRu4TasG qz2hoYFVqs5iLqLqnYHHSk5mI6zc7TPe9MIZt/QFjA+GBx0tBg8Fy6VEwof3BuV33S3F nCpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532QKWLnFmpqJHfBraxMfhHhZc53y+PpgpMhNLVmOAQvY9xwNcCj Z7ARvEiKUFmhrQOtqwtS8JdMl2h/ssm6J3mcjCUVYGlM+SA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxe9/OIjKqi4qY9PZLQyQi/5ACPhfUfqG6Bz8Y3bVJwJjywM6STuXPYUOer/GlftQvJwzdAgn8VBpw8uYB1NmA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:2011:: with SMTP id s17mr4211589ljo.242.1589021789484; Sat, 09 May 2020 03:56:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <835zd5h6tq.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22f; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22f.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249395 Archived-At: > > - As far as I know you are the only one who objected strongly against > > s.el in ELPA (others please voice your opinion if you think like > > Richard). This created an atmosphere of people fearing that you would > > use your authority to "veto" such adoption despite Stefan Monnier & > > others wanting s.el in ELPA. I think you need to clarify your > > position/power here. > > Richard also proposed a compromise which AFAIU would allow it to be > added. For some reason, that proposal got no responses at all. I tried to find that compromise again, all I found was "See my message to Stefan for a change that would make s.el ok to add." but could not find this message. If you would be so kind as to quote Richard again so I have his perspective. > > - For most users, dash.el and s.el are very similar in nature. dash.el > > is already in ELPA. If we refuse s.el, isn't it inconsistent? What > > about the message we send? > > Are you saying that popularity and similarity of a package is the only > criterion we should apply when deciding whether to add a package to > ELPA? IOW, are you saying that the technical details of the package's > implementation should not matter, for fear of sending the wrong > message? No, that's not what I am saying. I'd be interesting to see if you can understand what I am trying to say without me explaining it in details, because I feel that many people would understand what I am trying to say, even if it is not said perfectly. This would be good exercice to figure out how I could say things differently and how you could try to understand things differently. Can you give it another try? And if you still don't understand I'll explain it another way. Philippe