From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:50:52 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429134246.GA14632@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001c220905a46e3ec5" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="84002"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 29 15:52:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn8i-000Ljf-RV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:52:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49018 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn8h-0006Mk-UF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn7v-0005Nz-Li for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn7R-0008E4-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:51:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::233]:36822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn7R-0008Di-12 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:51:21 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id u15so2711334ljd.3 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:51:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=51ZjIiyEkuhQYQUD4erguWSzUPOD1W8twDl5ysRzT54=; b=tNItQU3A9TwqXvOyO4VvQvJGGHsSTCSbnvzOF6N5/zTJdJR62FQ4wbXEkJaVLYR45H GNt7qLKAtYZ/D60GiY80KYoiQhQsDLO2Z6z7U7EK7zun4qD9j3U7bRMx3O6VaDE6ejKP rrlnpwBvxSJUeidJM5x+gtmRbznpT9atoixpmfWc+P2pph8mMjXKNwlnpkPqWLxdMDIK bzYKcUaxwDImE+8zO3w1ihjsrU+m60gSnmophxBhxMoDGa8Zb0hNxwIKZLi+6zGMsH/8 oHxfZ7yaAkY4J6RbweyMbGNF7e950ccl1MTyX8ZsvhWDQ5iwaXITdXMMHUbastiTdjFU y+rQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=51ZjIiyEkuhQYQUD4erguWSzUPOD1W8twDl5ysRzT54=; b=EjCZNkI9Etc2w/rCl9iRYWKNZRhoB5NstnnDknM2oIupAu3dsb9vCNT5Mdc+Nv3B1i lGmglsdB/+KSPq+ZZyyWoFUxYyr70WU992/A/m5Di4f5qJwKRzl2tlcA3KF3l1mjljTy vt7QG/PIBEwZj3ClMOG/HkVmJspLwMmrqvvlJK+b6Ho+k/+CyW9OlcXY8uAAaYFSNI1c v2UxxDPjU1QSUCFRIVHTqrXxEWmQXA3e0FyEslOySggJ0NrIMo4V6b3emJzTlBd3x77d eRlJPYzRiHrfVvwFEgKy5KTb1M5NtHuvAevC3Ol7YGzKWr692OiUfstZ5lN/vbUQHUJl XyUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYoZCV08vkIUVSFux/1tOcjOq4Ylcx0Wu555PQQF0XtugtObKv3 gtf+0+CMVtOtvnLNCrcuGgu7O+/3oPsqxeX8USP1b7d6LlQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLVAn2UDOtgd3RhU4GENkYXZQ4Ts2zr7eTxN0gkqwgS2wIzg2YT9hTpdnSSUz6qFxJlYo7zp+A4xwYm676lHfY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:c8:: with SMTP id 8mr19972659ljr.182.1588168278940; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200429134246.GA14632@tuxteam.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::233; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x233.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248133 Archived-At: --0000000000001c220905a46e3ec5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I think "rename everything" doesn't look like a viable option? > > > Again you strawman my argument. Try to understand my central point, and > > then reply to that instead of details of "how you do it right now and > that > > works for you". > > This is not very constructive. Entering a culture and saying "hey, now you > do everything this way" most probably won't lead to progress, I fear. > > I get your points, but now: what could be a way forward? Well I never said "do everything this way". I was asked to clarify my opinion so I did. Anyway, I think like Stefan proposed a simple way would be to introduce a "clean namespace API" where old names can be aliases to the new names (or maybe new names are aliases to the old ones) So, basically something like list.el containing: (defalias 'list-append 'append) (defalias 'list-map 'mapcar) (defalias 'list-add 'add-to-list) I also think having a clean API would be more newbies-friendly and thus favor contribution from new authors, but it's just a gut feeling. Kind regards, Philippe --0000000000001c220905a46e3ec5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think "rename everything" doesn't look l= ike a viable option?

> Again you strawman my argument. Try to understand my central point= , and
> then reply to that instead of details of "how you do it right now= and that
> works for you".

This is not very constructive. Entering a culture and saying "hey, now= you
do everything this way" most probably won't lead to progress, I fe= ar.

I get your points, but now: what could be a way forward?
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Well I never said "do everything this way". I was a= sked to clarify my opinion so I did.

Anyway, I think like Stefan pro= posed a simple way would be to introduce a "clean namespace API" = where old names can be aliases to the new names (or maybe new names are ali= ases to the old ones)

So, basically something like= list.el containing:

(defalias 'list-append &#= 39;append)
(defalias 'list-map 'mapcar)
(defalias 'list-add 'add-to-list)
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I also think having a clean API would be more newbies-fr= iendly and thus favor contribution from new authors, but it's just a gu= t feeling.

Kind regards,
Philippe
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