From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Namespaces - summary, conclusion Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 18:25:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <837dxroj4k.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="89428"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 18:35:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVe4M-000N8F-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 18:35:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56772 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVe4L-0004D1-G2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 12:35:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44198) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVduv-0000SP-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 12:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]:46231) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVduu-0004LY-Lr; Mon, 04 May 2020 12:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id g10so10253007lfj.13; Mon, 04 May 2020 09:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=do8dCZ5uNOscy/y3KrSgA+459IbaUbYrm7RITscCdwQ=; b=MZdcmm6RzXIq4pdAsLMDJ4hO8LTGypKB0AEOHEGS8by2DERzWubNiT6LVI/U1dRfn9 uSqgR/Phszi40nxGR6pmxS7bvxfFNWQFmrqC/hnP3RwHNM1hb7n/zA4U07OzxdpfGZ0D f2iu6QDflwggzabHJdYp7/vXuODPhRuh21d8U8foHuSDKZvRfp4CBQLgPkQugnhUViBc 2CJfod10Ta3S0Jw9dS5SBDDRzF3sbtr89rcaAhcRGZwRIwQAwaHbf4KiiGoBVxTHZF5f uk0HankZELGnuYjyuT9SHHAnATvVicVDd4bl359FUa9YFhQUqYMwUBpgTceK5JRRSzkj J0Tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=do8dCZ5uNOscy/y3KrSgA+459IbaUbYrm7RITscCdwQ=; b=UHU49HJGwtjJA0KhmzCSv4tn4mGvXI+hvE2S/a8lg9Cr+gTSZqHU8c++XAiwJ34rZe 4Xg+EgMWV0mCZkbaUbKfV4ZtdJ7baibyxwcv2F5w1r7gW0oHGyjHa+h8Bq2y12dhWpOG ekucgpaHBrKWPN0ei7n9Aoh8EKg7EGjWN+Of+MXVI/JsQ2xmNs9rAe8jqOzU1mvioCHA dhSJ89zK0gIMGIQfgzBeqnWWpkHcN7LVQ1LyMcVLtUFMC+6PKWYZdXEJ/N+GYkwgHULU LCRs8SOCM3Yhu0nK36Cx/TUaopuFt1lyqLP6La5q9JNYlCPUubCnkYmyBbWlS3eWWjou hmHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaVeSdJZde5qmpqVziEhUf3wff5Hb+xiPWfe3PC481F9jbri4li Xj3vQFQCKgkawG7YIneztOkrjb+0bOLLoXxaL6p8UGof X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIHsX1dwvhhxHVRIgYD2cIl3SfdE0C7/Hz5rouU8+LJfmJ/MVgSRwyLK+WIJsMegh5ISmP3ywQY5CgU8RkZABI= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5482:: with SMTP id t2mr11394706lfk.202.1588609561881; Mon, 04 May 2020 09:26:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <837dxroj4k.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12a; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x12a.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248864 Archived-At: > I think you jump to conclusions too quickly. Each one of the named > individuals expressed quite different views about the > renaming/aliasing proposals. In particular, the degree of resistance > to any and all such changes from each one of those people was very > different. AFAIU, only Alan is completely opposed to any such change. Ah, ok I somehow inferred that Alan was the only one to say out loud what you guys also thought, given your "resistance". > That said, if we are willing to continue discussing this, we might be > able to agree to some small enough group of functions for which more > systematically-named aliases could be added. > > > Until now every one of the proposed aliases (in string- or regexp-) > > were rejected for arguably good reasons but the message is pretty > > clear, I think aliases in Emacs core are a dead end (for now, that > > might change later) and will only live in libraries in MELPA (or ELPA > > is authors care). > > That's not my conclusion. I think a small number of aliases could be > agreed to, based on the responses. > > I urge you not to give up. Thanks. Until now I haven't seen any of the "string-" proposition where there was the beginning of a consensus, but I'll look again. If you have something in mind please share. Regexp looked more promising, should we focus there first? Philippe