From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 13:27:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <86k2dk77w6.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <642fd4b4-8b1c-a537-5a5f-6940691ec4b9@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c06b7165c7f15053e44b5bf X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475839758 6326 195.159.176.226 (7 Oct 2016 11:29:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Brinkhoff , Emacs developers To: Nikolay Kudryavtsev Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 13:29:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bsTKp-00080q-42 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 13:29:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34080 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsTKn-0000ZX-On for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 07:29:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51159) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsTKE-0000ZR-Hv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 07:28:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsTKD-0008Ek-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 07:28:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ua0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c08::232]:36174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bsTKD-0008E0-F3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 07:28:25 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ua0-x232.google.com with SMTP id r64so42380999uar.3 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 04:28:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iIOpP3DwiZcDxq7O7GoeRw2IRCeTpwHiMPN0CEdHSVg=; b=QAo/XUFh9wkQK9GV0/dWuDZfPqKW+aSe+vHFzCmotp+BA295sl5+n9+6bv6mfh7TtL 2C/W4WoixYUxEswvrYtgrUmyGVpoCO6uaEI6fgYenVMDLeU5qBvSviaxwaGLZvmfQgUR m3DfnGe8EXxMVTkhnWPAwEevWqBlKpyDiZyCWpuxkPEqYXfyIrjIyaj8h+k2bHHWMNFp Iw0V6ZYkXJ4ljfsZQiLKteyvKwmHKbcSN8Ro+bbYE7MeZTQwYWDRObNPT67h7wueyFsu MPLhl9yvmPCdemOAAh8KpCeKOPqUeEtHB2eXvyvC2E+rE/8rmVbv6hqh6z+d8w0V358J s25g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iIOpP3DwiZcDxq7O7GoeRw2IRCeTpwHiMPN0CEdHSVg=; b=XALEhIRytSrApuOFNxwUk566ZbWEf6SdWT44YZfA8qViQxEuzMhaYvkQFp6WkyJaNX 7KqyrSQfe2yMAIRZJgOCWmbS2fzTrROucqKN01kpU99LRyHcxyfHGwqHrNN/omefJhz4 FeE+u2QhQX1N0nx3T5sgyOpJIkd5MAk8H70S4q/WemZX0cuurCqg5nmqZPEe4DL6WEO2 vxIvoAkN1iSyh+diTgkV+WqC23gmzfy/YpP6R8z4PiX12GxzY5icZuazVWYBO85GwnbX zvAxwF71q2bQ8MhyB+BAqxfw7cXshHKtxG26XVvr0QiqG8qQLkcb1RD5oGD+ywmumTF/ eBQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RkMkv/e4W14uPmzJyDIU34piuISZ5p4VEuUz7JaMkmcZ4j2MC2rxORUWCbGY2Ynph6x479rfk46Dp8npA== X-Received: by 10.176.4.40 with SMTP id 37mr12216349uav.89.1475839704987; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 04:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.103.119.20 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 04:27:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <642fd4b4-8b1c-a537-5a5f-6940691ec4b9@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c08::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208058 Archived-At: --94eb2c06b7165c7f15053e44b5bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Is there even a reason to try evolving Elisp into something else? Instead, > you can cherry-pick the features you want. With cl-lib you get almost CL. > With dash.el you get your "new cool lisp". And so on. The big benefit I see is being able to replace the lisp engine with a more standard one, and thus benefit from performance enhancements / bugfixes / etc from the other engine. Philippe --94eb2c06b7165c7f15053e44b5bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Is there even a reason to try evolving Elisp= into something else? Instead, you can cherry-pick the features you want. W= ith cl-lib you get almost CL. With dash.el you get your "new cool lisp= ". And so on.

The big benefit I see is= being able to replace the lisp engine with a more standard one, and thus b= enefit from performance enhancements / bugfixes / etc from the other engine= .

Philippe
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