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From: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Add some aliases for re-related functions
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 23:51:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGK7Mr6AsmjiVfX+7ycydAkd8nM4niN6m0LPZL4xsyEjHv7dEw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200502210912.GE6832@ACM>

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> > Just to be clear, you don't like aliases because if they were to be used
> > you'd hate reading code using them, correct?
>
> (snip)
>
> > I mean you agree they won't take away your ability to use the old names?
>
> This old one!  I disagree with you entirely, here.  I debug other
> people's code as well as my own.  I'd have to put up with
> "re-match-after-point" and friends, thus losing the ability to "use" the
> current names.

I think you misunderstood me there. Literally one sentence ago I said that
you don't like aliases because you'd dislike reading code using them, so I
understood your concern. I also find your definition of "use" a bit
surprising, but ok I note that for you "use" means "write code with that
name as well as read code with that name". In my definition it just means
"write code with that name".

> And there's a good chance some "helpful" person will decide it's time to
> purge the traditional names from all code, including my code.

That's indeed a valid concern. That said at the current pace of how things
goes on that topic, I think even if *some* things were to change your code
would still be untouched for at least 20 years :-)

> Anyhow, why not look at existing examples from history?
>
> On 1991-07-25, Jim Blandy introduced the alias `search-forward-regexp'
> for `re-search-forward'.  Why?  Lost in the mists of time.  Possibly for
> the same reasons people are advancing now - make all the search functions
> begin with "search-" for supposed easier searching (of their names).  In
> master we currently have 3534 occurences of re-search-forward and 134 of
> search-forward-regexp.  Would anybody here argue that Emacs is the better
> for these 134 alternatively named function calls?  I'd say it was a
> mistake, and there is nothing positive to offset the confusion.

Interesting. Is one of the alias deprecated now? What prevents us from
massively rename every search-forward-regexp to re-search-forward? I
understand it's not your point but I don't understand why this isn't fixed
yet.

> Or `delete-backward-char' and its alias `backward-delete-char'.  We have,
> respectively, 5 and 36 uses.  To me, this is just confusion, whatever the
> original reason was for these aliases.

Same question as above.

> I say we shouldn't add to such confusion.

That's an interesting point. At the same time it gives me this impression
that following this logic everything is written in stone forever because
any change would be confusing.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-02 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-02 18:28 Add some aliases for re-related functions Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:43   ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 21:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:27     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  8:33       ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-03 19:07         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 19:48   ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:10   ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 20:13     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04  3:09         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 14:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:12             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:42                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:53                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:09     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 21:51       ` Philippe Vaucher [this message]
2020-05-03  9:43         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 15:00           ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 22:41       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:14         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-04 10:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-03 14:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:20       ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-03 16:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:10   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 22:18     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-02 22:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 23:13       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04  0:29           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04  3:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:44   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  3:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03  4:37       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  8:05         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03  9:55           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 10:26             ` tomas
2020-05-03 15:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 19:47           ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04  7:32             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04  8:20               ` Sending plaintext with Gmail (was: Add some aliases for re-related functions) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04  8:45                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 15:09                 ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:25                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:29                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05  8:13                       ` HTML display in Gnus (was: Sending plaintext with Gmail) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-05  8:24                         ` HTML display in Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05  9:26                           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-17 17:14                           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:39                     ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Andreas Schwab
2020-05-04 16:51               ` Add some aliases for re-related functions Drew Adams
2020-05-04 17:10               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 18:17                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 18:33                   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-05  2:48             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04  3:08         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 10:16       ` João Távora
2020-05-04  3:04 ` Richard Stallman

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