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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249155 Archived-At: > > > I'm not sure why there's this sudden turnaround on this issue, maybe > > > I'm missing something. > > I don't think there was a turnaround. We never decided to include > > s.el in GNU ELPA. > > Yes, I did. I was sure that at least 3 people asked for it but now I can only find you. I think I misremembered the following message from Richard to be about `s.el`: > Would someone with good social skills like to ask the developers of > dash to move their development into GNU ELPA, or ask why they have not > done so? I am sure they can see the advantage of having their latest > version available through Emacs. There's something I don't quite understand tho, please explain it to me: from my uneducated eye dash.el is very similar to s.el. If I understood correctly having dash.el active in ELPA is something you'd like but having s.el in ELPA would be "bad". I just don't understand, almost all of the criticism that you did to s.el I can do to dash.el as well ("useless" functions, clojure-like, already exists in Emacs core but named differently, etc). Philippe