From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Un-deprecating oset Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 12:48:29 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87eery1xhe.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="130122"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 05 12:49:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVv8p-000Xld-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 12:49:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49472 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVv8o-0004BK-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 06:49:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38228) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVv8G-0003k5-UI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 06:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::234]:44241) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVv8E-0002NH-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 06:49:00 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id a21so1086655ljj.11 for ; Tue, 05 May 2020 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mxf+grwSjkZsDVrtcRU8gDA+GSCBTWVmA3COEB8FpE0=; b=QwV9UnaEZ5y5CSIgWAVinlJcbbKpFGL1h0uQFaU/f4Xs+FHT+OMVvDLdfQ0bD83w/w oNxMfNUhHWve5CpNkJNt+1hQjptoonXupINoWIGaGKVLwLCg55s7w91TSAjUiOvMfgVY Mh+Sv06+OrwE+PDtpWHH2tpi3FHN80eckt+VLMlLSMH6gkL5D4Ks2f/YSybSlrHe3G/c Sx/C8T9+kKUJnstjXBGcdBDKSQPVTqwUPmAVb1VGraNltk8QUBrSXi65sPlEZzWYgGg4 VbbwZW8x1dGgYvlN3BnzOjMkgn8TQ+9lxom01tEzgQRgU8yt4H18h/mkwwFKjWEFiQGm 8yyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mxf+grwSjkZsDVrtcRU8gDA+GSCBTWVmA3COEB8FpE0=; b=sznU/+mKm4nSsWC7GPzPHcMetqOO/tbrVAI3Mf/soyXVfhrbW0e6xCErsMRE+PUlBX YAflKJ48tmrgy7vYWWH9SgRNN56P+K42X6EwB5mOjeSV0JF5DE/SljR4Fn79SX/UWOE+ svLZuxE3RysOJy8z0iCr+AeazfUQ7Lbf0qNfBhcPW5kb2q3xNaYQIpD7sD3wb6woHg3g b7lUax6+qPSdqLSJgKJKhDomHThS63/nxy8SGxh6IoY0Gr+2iZRE+pFbt/IRzLcg31m/ x0xjYDyxA5gWMdCWV5EWA/fdmdVYms9malntsRJDjY7n4JMdAxXYeDfs5oLsTBdFnZk6 whXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubT7kWMGKcm+kNJdiy3SFUoA/RxmUHlfJBM5LMN/mLsbm9uZI5Z odzE7S+igcnLysTpG3dgYsvtEMVsMzQCd/TMUzQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI/qN8kzwfl48OkvHjvauMhdjETc+DrGE3DqTiRnVU9ow0WdRGCoZQV+TDiAZch1GqWZYC/3rgA/OJwzdBV5iE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8999:: with SMTP id c25mr1464843lji.73.1588675736483; Tue, 05 May 2020 03:48:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eery1xhe.fsf@bernoul.li> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::234; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x234.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248967 Archived-At: > Deprecating (oref object slot value) > in favor of (setf (oref object slot) value) > does *nothing* to increase "namespace sanity", the declared goal. > It does however take away the programmers choice whether to use > `setf' or not, but only when it comes to OOP, which seems unfair. If I followed correctly the first line should read "(oset object slot value)" (not oref), but I think most people will be able to autocorrect.