From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 11:14:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83368ivmym.fsf@gnu.org> <5f91c6e5-b4af-4478-b221-4ca37f0fb74c@default> <2afdde98-4d71-4847-8ee4-b0eee677baef@default> <20200503080507.GA2467@tuxteam.de> <20200503085606.GC2467@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000454e2505a4bad973" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="113825"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 11:15:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVAiz-000TVr-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 11:15:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59334 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVAiy-0008Ju-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:15:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVAiE-0007Gg-Gp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::229]:40888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVAiD-0008Nh-Kc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x229.google.com with SMTP id y4so6660323ljn.7 for ; Sun, 03 May 2020 02:15:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rDuwOF39nWOUFrb7B8jw1mG2qePbYYQNFfv1ao2lbU0=; b=R4ZctLrinXaePashE3PP8Fdu4EPbEC0bYS1YO5ZfolEVzC8ZiTGASkXEZMU9M2avSB LkSU9hf3mM4/ljjbMKK6u06bKMKLlZSDdMYF65dYfPetz4e+kgfLlbRC2C9LSi4AdQkP gwTJNzVfAfmljxz1rkEps0627qyRZG1HbBhYq+RwDZxv5gFnVNbUGpVQXRwaQfe2UK4Z K0dmfysWFrYap4mhU+zTZMuJPhzZ7e8UtHD3FKAKzSMZ12+rVvAA5zN4FGeQDBzVrdZc HaWSHeM4snfpvzOKJisscgK1esIB6trnJSExf1k5KFmxoq8hm7gl6s4SxEDA6nh7F/lP GWtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rDuwOF39nWOUFrb7B8jw1mG2qePbYYQNFfv1ao2lbU0=; b=I+1dz4qOBcgFI5EzQxXOMpAP43SETbVaJezrqGxWcsylc/6NmiYkpAjSD5NQUdcuLO WVCl+ZOvUyBsa1yIewH6VwglhzeVlmuN3TkCOpbMhgVb1FxClFOez3Pbltgq7661IESV uytDzTVoakju864it7mar/CUi4ttzWtpYkyXYHU04xkPWqFnH6ebywvUZwxsWU5n/DRe uATFbEol60ybIVDYFsCMrqyqyij43cwODCc8hx6jyUdsjUh0zoVcJG96DWf5SL0hwBHp +7we/Dw7AVKBuI40GwDkUDHfH4imFNjufIIvqw9x2FuYJNmDmdgXl6/IdrQNQBaCmKbt 0HTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubujpNLZW6DJq0fW4ysK0NzSx69ejDvviLHyVXVH/yE67aKnFOH jP+KJLDXKJh3uNOneeI6+YHvYI13wfLC72Q+Fjw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIX7Il3klav9aU7ZsEWhVurwYcRCLl95kgIWlwzXDYIrRxz0QhzKP5kAwF6+HfYmNuWiymPgYJLa0/ZcETTvJY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7e04:: with SMTP id z4mr7416623ljc.50.1588497299621; Sun, 03 May 2020 02:14:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200503085606.GC2467@tuxteam.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::229; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x229.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248662 Archived-At: --000000000000454e2505a4bad973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Now assume Alan is proofreading a patch coming from somewhere else. > Would you like him to read it as he reads his native language, > or as he reads a foreign language, dictionary in hand? I agree with everything you said, I just wanted to point out this: of course I prefer Alan to use his native language. But at the same time languages do evolve... the french I speak nowadays is different than the one that was there when I was born, and VERY different than the one that was spoken 150 years ago. The thing is that it changed gradually, and I guess my proposal makes it look like it'd change too rapidly. So, basically we have to find a pace where most agree. From what I understand there are 3 point of views: - Alan / Richard: 0 new aliases. Only new APIs. - Philippe: as many new aliases as needed where "obvious" (regexp, process, etc), probably around 50 (wild guess) - Most people's: Not against testing with just one topic (regexp), maximum 10 new aliases.... then wait a few years to see how it went before moving on to other topics. Do you feel that's accurate? Philippe --000000000000454e2505a4bad973 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Now assume Alan is proofreading a patch coming from s= omewhere else.
> Would you like him to read it as he reads his native= language,
> or as he reads a foreign language, dictionary in hand?
I agree with everything you said, I just wanted to point out this: of= course I prefer Alan to use his native language. But at the same time lang= uages do evolve... the french I speak nowadays is different than the one th= at was there when I was born, and VERY different than the one that was spok= en 150 years ago. The thing is that it changed gradually, and I guess my pr= oposal makes it look like it'd change too rapidly.

So, basically= we have to find a pace where most agree. From what I understand there are = 3 point of views:

- Alan / Richard: 0 new aliases. Only new APIs.- Philippe: as many new aliases as needed where "obvious" (rege= xp, process, etc), probably around 50 (wild guess)
- Most people's: = Not against testing with just one topic (regexp), maximum 10 new aliases...= . then wait a few years to see how it went before moving on to other topic= s.

Do you feel that's accurate?

Philipp= e
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