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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250899 Archived-At: > So Adobe Sign allows me to "just type Philippe Vaucher on my keyboard"" > and bam, I am Philippe Vaucher! Gee thanks Adobe. Yes, just like in a real world shop I can sign X and I am now X instead of Philippe Vaucher :-) My point is that signature is not identification, signature is confirmation. A contract is "identification + confirmation" (identification of who is about to sign followed by confirmation of acceptance of the terms). In the real world it's more complex: identification is done using the person's ID and the name they filled the form with, then at sign time the signature is used as a confirmation for closing the deal. Then later on if there is an issue, the signature is then used as identification again by comparing it to other signatures and using graphology. Online it's more simple: identification is done before accessing the form (double authentication, email validation, whatever), then once you access the form there's only the confirmation-step remaining. Can this be abused? Sure. More that in the real world? I doubt it. Philippe