From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:29:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000045fe4405a469c260" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="97242"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Adam Porter , Kyle Meyer , Stefan Monnier To: Jonas Bernoulli , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 29 10:31:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTi8C-000P5E-5M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:31:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54230 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTi8B-0006xs-2W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54726) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTi6r-0005Ku-QC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:30:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTi6q-0002er-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::136]:46220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTi6p-0002aa-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id g10so896356lfj.13 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:30:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=j5CjQBti/nNSHB4LhIHzmkvJhpG5qN0v9aW58mZvasY=; b=AP2AmYfs2p9qCKpLgisebjwlpQ7EJygMcCdgNLG7yUDVWk8qxNjWxZJJWLVHvfZCgg anm6nwwb52C6hFz4sWl/7jY/GlEge5rrFB9/jIBDExCkri6ZTgE9gt9esFIsEcuz5Nym JsoEn6igZDZwPhFxReOReg7jvJ/eFnTQQt5KILQgpW4k6BaErOPuaI9BDkzQFb5JRYLA c+rLqAWsqIIAVNTdZbqGhp9wMmPDMM9/KNprc6VTYgYhSqMQeD9T+B6/dyruur1rG0dN ghAe3hkLbwDUIPrF9dqViEFMDhRDDctSiP+ZHqw5UYHdBo9vV+s+E1u7C5G8v9qWaW// HPaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=j5CjQBti/nNSHB4LhIHzmkvJhpG5qN0v9aW58mZvasY=; b=f6Na455ipu4vq6nfPCHl58pgnuSHhMCinIJw0/pq+MfpvOLmQukTHNPXa++DveYbOU V+jZyHg5/KZKdvm4R/eJWf1v1s2bhenRx9ju1jh0wiPCpUsJbk2awWkfnwJEa3cYfuXF FKD/f0bVIM6D9HbUJt2uoBgfx8BIPhiMpVvwfmjvZa+oLefdmYIkro5Wl79Lbtqyi2o7 3x0LRz1iaIf2Jkmg6B6yQ+kuMRvdJJyfWoyKglujus8zyyMGVFJF+qq6gVhxuS7YLLXb /RGMiZcW6XBuAL6nBovVwnq9udVxdnz+gJHISlXVDkY3tU+V1yE87O1LrqB/L0pfEpQM ZXoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuY+hE1yvza4FnLLsS0YEKTqEsZx4stdq0OXlaMLzzIuUN3/TEp7 xUF/WRNpCGxLo1cLodp6I7oyaGcUj3f2xzL6FxA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKzvDytiZ8xlEumABhVJOrC7cWo9qmDIPk/MCZkAd7vKA6QMFaxNpMiqAIOCJACgVR/Uf+kLyI6Rq+2dFLpNkM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:53a:: with SMTP id o26mr5353006lfc.111.1588149021440; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:30:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::136; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x136.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::136 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248098 Archived-At: --00000000000045fe4405a469c260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > CCing three authors who use Transient in their packages because I am > interested in their opinions about the symbol names. > Thanks for including me. I think you guys covered pretty much everything that had to be said, and I also think it's more logical if everything related to a package starts with the same namespace, so I'd be in favor of `transient-current-prefix`, `transient-current-command`, `transient-define-command`, `transient-define-prefix`, etc. Overall I think it's a shame that the Emacs api wasn't designed with discoverability/consistency in mind, and that's why libraries like dash.el / seq.el are the way to go for me. I value "conventions over configuration" principles a lot, I don't like running into design exceptions and corner cases and having to read manuals :-) Kind regards, Philippe --00000000000045fe4405a469c260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CCing three authors who use Transient in their packages = because I am
interested in their opinions about the symbol names.
<= br>
Thanks for including me. I think you guys covered pretty much= everything that had to be said, and I also think it's more logical if = everything related to a package starts with the same namespace, so I'd = be in favor of `transient-current-prefix`, `transient-current-command`, `tr= ansient-define-command`, `transient-define-prefix`, etc.

Overall I think it's a shame that the Emacs api wasn't desig= ned with discoverability/consistency in mind, and that's why libraries = like dash.el / seq.el are the way to go for me. I value "conventions o= ver configuration" principles a lot, I don't like running into des= ign exceptions and corner cases and having to read manuals :-)
Kind regards,
Philippe
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