From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tabulated-list sort icon is reversed Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:37:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83a7qbtc6l.fsf@gnu.org> <83bmaqq735.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0v1lsns.fsf@fastmail.fm> <532F6D74-E21C-45A2-B85B-01133DE1E8A1@scratch.space> <834lg2o1n2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000001fe72e057314022f" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1533904546 4998 195.159.176.226 (10 Aug 2018 12:35:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: van@scratch.space, Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 10 14:35:42 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fo6dp-00018u-0a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:35:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56014 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fo6ft-0004ws-Q2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41597) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fo6fk-0004wl-Eu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:37:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fo6fj-00006x-BJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]:41121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fo6fh-00004x-Dz; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id y17-v6so7050048ljy.8; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:37:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XiEfokqM/B/VswfPC4oXkw2IxX88yetv5+ouiWfdZOY=; b=ayWPuhyNCe6CLWl6Rc6WyzTqw1Yok+qspIkIVa8Har5LTJFIry3/YqcTTRe6U23rDb yt3PZx+cGPC3AlqpVVBv33CuII5HilAv3MkDsRMhcV2F6JXKd26IqMgk9C8S3LbygFaX 1VOyPlZCspqNY/l0/o/GrkRHaRVNv1bJJ5rC3p2c0w5Z5G8c8ONmEA+Ql7TAOK5xGaUU CXRefFz0hDSkrjVwxBH1mdcgUihCPwbdbk/bsXYhNYZ21qo+EyOg0EEWPyHKPp5tdcXG /qN8cnFobpbKwqRMMPypdFnaKFQUIdrONon6nursYBNREm3K+iiEUdgt08rLgQf0j8qN nilg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XiEfokqM/B/VswfPC4oXkw2IxX88yetv5+ouiWfdZOY=; b=ELGj9oPan55Z9CUZiso0rz15AbgodbXsAvg0XyWaQzdtDbR7wqIJ3vlhTCwk0CVxKp mwO6OdjMv9av7tjlbaWYLeOv/9BhuekvJZ40yGh9LKr0N/4q9o2M2mVjduXnzjQTHMWf uk6HAOOVSZduQDNYz9gL17o0NXIRbRIiqGbrdxS1KKPoc+y/KH7DdBjtV039qUk8td0I hB1hVSQH+AbVm64DIxl2rdWGSuibE1+xdHkWTOnVa4W/BeZefUUVbJuYV/UN6HmvMjav Nya4Xl4baWnFvGsvVBGhRPp1Js8xrNyQUeJanWQ5/XTyACo/YHgkDNXYFgLmfngf3Caq Mlhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlH8dkknsu24fdayGvwJo6MQGpq59hAtW36RnG5Q0F0PniYpG2xk jKk4LL7WGbl4npTLRK2FXTlCnZZFsYnnQdoTlcOyKAa7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPxENyVsdjsPwjEV7/NUrcYD3VA8pRKhmidVdPL9IxtcJBA6Rg5ggYEApL0IuUVlr8phV/SoRHMcqxjDhezpS6w= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:498:: with SMTP id a24-v6mr4848463ljf.27.1533904655726; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <834lg2o1n2.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:228369 Archived-At: --0000000000001fe72e057314022f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001fe72b057314022d" --0000000000001fe72b057314022d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thanks, but I'm probably missing something, because I don't really see > what will this change solve. And what about the ASCII equivalent? > It's less ambiguous than what is used right now. It looks a lot like what a lot people agreed was the best option: On Thu, Aug 02 2018, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I'd go with > > - > --- > ----- > ------- > --------- The only missing thing are the "lines" layers but the shape is there. About the ASCII equivalent, this is even worse because there's no good way of doing ascii art. I've tried various things like "|_", "|/", "|\" but they look too ugly. I finally settled on the classic "asc/desc", tho "a-z" and "z-a" looked ok too. Here attached is an updated patch. Kind regards, Philippe --0000000000001fe72b057314022d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= Thanks, but I'm probably missing something, because I don't really = see
what will this change solve.=C2=A0 And what about the ASCII equivalent?
=

It's less ambiguous than what is used = right now.

It looks a lot like what a lot people a= greed was the best option:

On Thu, Aug 02 2018, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I'd go with<= /span>
&= gt;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0-
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0---
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0-----
>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0-------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0---------

The only missing thing are the "lines" layers but the shape is= there.

About the ASCII equivalent, this = is even worse because there's no good way of doing ascii art. I've = tried various things like=C2=A0&q= uot;|_", "|/", "|\" but they look too ugly. I fina= lly settled on the classic "asc/desc", tho "a-z" and &q= uot;z-a" looked ok too.

Here attache= d is an updated patch.
=
Kind regards,
Philippe
--0000000000001fe72b057314022d-- --0000000000001fe72e057314022f Content-Type: text/x-patch; charset="UTF-8"; name="0001-Use-less-ambiguous-sort-icons-for-tabulated-list.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Use-less-ambiguous-sort-icons-for-tabulated-list.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: X-Attachment-Id: f_jknz4ull0 RnJvbSA1ODdjOTg4NWY5NWMyOTAxNjAzODJhYWEwMWI2NzgxNmYyNDY4NjUyIE1vbiBTZXAgMTcg MDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBQaGlsaXBwZSBWYXVjaGVyIDxwaGlsaXBwZS52YXVjaGVyQHN0 dnMuY29tPgpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDEwIEF1ZyAyMDE4IDExOjUyOjEzICswMjAwClN1YmplY3Q6IFtQ QVRDSF0gVXNlIGxlc3MgYW1iaWd1b3VzIHNvcnQgaWNvbnMgZm9yIHRhYnVsYXRlZCBsaXN0Cgoq IGxpc3AvZW1hY3MtbGlzcC90YWJ1bGF0ZWQtbGlzdC5lbDogY2hhbmdlIHNvcnQgaWNvbnMgYW5k IHVzZQogICJhc2MvZGVzYyIgZm9yIEFTQ0lJLgotLS0KIGxpc3AvZW1hY3MtbGlzcC90YWJ1bGF0 ZWQtbGlzdC5lbCB8IDggKysrKy0tLS0KIDEgZmlsZSBjaGFuZ2VkLCA0IGluc2VydGlvbnMoKyks IDQgZGVsZXRpb25zKC0pCgpkaWZmIC0tZ2l0IGEvbGlzcC9lbWFjcy1saXNwL3RhYnVsYXRlZC1s aXN0LmVsIGIvbGlzcC9lbWFjcy1saXNwL3RhYnVsYXRlZC1saXN0LmVsCmluZGV4IDU4NjE5ZWNk YS4uNTQ4ODQ3MWUyIDEwMDY0NAotLS0gYS9saXNwL2VtYWNzLWxpc3AvdGFidWxhdGVkLWxpc3Qu ZWwKKysrIGIvbGlzcC9lbWFjcy1saXNwL3RhYnVsYXRlZC1saXN0LmVsCkBAIC0xNzYsOCArMTc2 LDggQEAgSWYgQURWQU5DRSBpcyBub24tbmlsLCBtb3ZlIGZvcndhcmQgYnkgb25lIGxpbmUgYWZ0 ZXJ3YXJkcy4iCiAgIChsZXQgKCh0YWJsZSAobWFrZS1jaGFyLXRhYmxlICdnbHlwaGxlc3MtY2hh ci1kaXNwbGF5IG5pbCkpKQogICAgIChzZXQtY2hhci10YWJsZS1wYXJlbnQgdGFibGUgZ2x5cGhs ZXNzLWNoYXItZGlzcGxheSkKICAgICA7OyBTb21lIHRleHQgdGVybWluYWxzIGNhbid0IGRpc3Bs YXkgdGhlIFVuaWNvZGUgYXJyb3dzOyBiZSBzYWZlLgotICAgIChhc2V0IHRhYmxlIDk2NTAgKGNv bnMgbmlsICJeIikpCi0gICAgKGFzZXQgdGFibGUgOTY2MCAoY29ucyBuaWwgInYiKSkKKyAgICAo YXNldCB0YWJsZSA5NjUwIChjb25zIG5pbCAiZGVzYyIpKQorICAgIChhc2V0IHRhYmxlIDk2NjAg KGNvbnMgbmlsICJhc2MiKSkKICAgICB0YWJsZSkKICAgIlRoZSBgZ2x5cGhsZXNzLWNoYXItZGlz cGxheScgdGFibGUgaW4gVGFidWxhdGVkIExpc3QgYnVmZmVycy4iKQogCkBAIC0yMjksOCArMjI5 LDggQEAgUG9wdWxhdGVkIGJ5IGB0YWJ1bGF0ZWQtbGlzdC1pbml0LWhlYWRlcicuIikKIAkJICAo Y29uY2F0IGxhYmVsCiAJCQkgIChjb25kCiAJCQkgICAoKD4gKCsgMiAobGVuZ3RoIGxhYmVsKSkg d2lkdGgpICIiKQotCQkJICAgKChjZHIgdGFidWxhdGVkLWxpc3Qtc29ydC1rZXkpICIg4payIikK LQkJCSAgICh0ICIg4pa8IikpKQorCQkJICAgKChjZHIgdGFidWxhdGVkLWxpc3Qtc29ydC1rZXkp ICIg4pekIikKKwkJCSAgICh0ICIg4pejIikpKQogCQkgICdmYWNlICdib2xkCiAJCSAgJ3RhYnVs YXRlZC1saXN0LWNvbHVtbi1uYW1lIGxhYmVsCiAJCSAgYnV0dG9uLXByb3BzKSkKLS0gCjIuMTgu MAoK --0000000000001fe72e057314022f--