From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:56:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <83mvi9a3mh.fsf@gnu.org> <20161012165911.58437154@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161012173314.799d1dc5@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8360owaj2s.fsf@gnu.org> <20161013092701.77461800@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161017105345.2f255760@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83y41nx8l6.fsf@gnu.org> <20161017123459.5ded9408@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87vawosoul.fsf@elephly.net> <20161019090741.46ea2704@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161019163806.7c77f100@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83twc7tqxr.fsf@gnu.org> <20161020144158.1521581f@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d2e06777995053f522ad7 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476997044 11824 195.159.176.226 (20 Oct 2016 20:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, John Wiegley , Emacs developers , rekado@elephly.net, Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii To: "Perry E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208552 Archived-At: --001a113d2e06777995053f522ad7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Emacs already has multiple "terminals" for different platforms. Qt is > really C++ oriented too, not to mention that it uses its own weird > preprocessor in addition, and Emacs is really a C app. I agree that adding a C++ dependency is probably complicated in a project like Emacs. > It's also not truly multiplatform =E2=80=94 a Qt app doesn't look as good= as > native toolkits > do on platforms other than X. I think that is somewhat of an argument of the past. Qt styles (and ability to use css stylesheets) really allow for widgets to look just like native. See http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/stylesheet.html or http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstyle.html#details for screenshots examples (see QMacStyle. QWindowsStyle & friends). Also, I'm not sure that "not looking as good as native toolkits" is really important if it simplify the implementation, but it's a big if :-) But I disgress, as Eli said this is a pipe dream in its current form :-) Thank you for your input. Philippe --001a113d2e06777995053f522ad7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Emacs already has multiple &q= uot;terminals" for different platforms. Qt is
really C++ oriented too, not to mention that it uses its own weird
preprocessor in addition, and Emacs is really a C app.
I agree that adding a C++ dependency is probably complicated i= n a project like Emacs.

=C2=A0
It's also not=C2=A0truly multiplatf= orm =E2=80=94 a Qt app doesn't look as good as native toolkits
do on platforms other than X.

I think that = is somewhat of an argument of the past. Qt styles (and ability to use css s= tylesheets) really allow for widgets to look just like native. See=C2=A0http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/styles= heet.html or http= ://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstyle.html#details=C2=A0for screenshots examples (se= e QMacStyle. QWindowsStyle & friends).

Also, I= 'm not sure that "not looking as good as native toolkits" is = really important if it simplify the implementation, but it's a big if := -)

But I disgress, as Eli said this is a pipe drea= m in its current form :-)

Thank you for your input= .
Philippe
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