From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kaushal Modi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-losedows-builder Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 14:15:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1137fded-fc14-2445-bc6b-e8f2aceed56c@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114159ca15610d053b86f813 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472825792 21545 195.159.176.226 (2 Sep 2016 14:16:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: simonfv@gmail.com, nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 02 16:16:28 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bfpGX-0004It-ET for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 16:16:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42460 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfpGU-00049K-Vi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:16:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52359) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfpGL-00048t-Aj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfpGI-0004mq-6T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:16:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]:34476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfpGE-0004lQ-JS; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id v189so24295157vkv.1; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 07:15:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zo6KUApa/K5/YG5bL+pRE925H231w/G9fH1519mpd1w=; b=U98yPNW5zQ6Z957s9s562e+PgX/MmXJNAMSKK38F4sNxw7ndD1Lh2pIVYFC2JXFdso kSkshhnmhQ80Iw1mrWWZTDHcuxSAb4YUTugBer5fXeXSeS3CIkZlhM4Z2UPCix/0rZqQ KvCsY/K3MXI0YlmEWiENP6s7ctVBYyZaeH/ys+40UclgLL1ZxVhUjKqjlu3A9JODubYR +LLSbA8D1nJJXqvP2PHAxeSJGA1Yv4scc08DCxKcq1kjQuZ4xzkGb4Z6GzuVMYmXS8br DtzZ96kd07bFllrbsGMN8nmKHgpbuQ8XKvmuiMhFiwavEcYObmKHFiKj6jEQVK5I2u9+ TKUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zo6KUApa/K5/YG5bL+pRE925H231w/G9fH1519mpd1w=; b=V5nvhWV7EMbuVQD1XnvbEoGKQta/NswmJF1jVo+9hPaHWyIhFblB/+6lfgG527aPfi AOYFsHfwokILDid6ViCF3x2ubnoXXgpCFkpl8HMb9yZxQ5t9w9a46Qs6vYJrWN4FLM10 BgW90QVlByZXZp3IFDfkGVHSlAm3m2zA+h0P8GPzbGN3lMS/gzNgHCgv0kxs/OOPKIpg Sv+QioDBijCQqZs6KKrPMutfrGvySij5+liLhL2BTVI14EinqXisYxkU9nmM/K7wEQo/ k5xr0dsRyo6itR63D8wRwAERgr4LIxiCRGsqweYjE4K7lOxBAWYJrn+R4AwXUke8ybsc kAVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPhda7rwZDDdOalSmkx4CPoHZzntNDr18XWz7i8ME2o7wsVzzjPWn7E6O3AOJXRTVJnItR3UCwFncY5fw== X-Received: by 10.31.168.81 with SMTP id r78mr13012463vke.8.1472825757358; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207129 Archived-At: --001a114159ca15610d053b86f813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Sep 2, 2016, 7:12 AM Richard Stallman wrote: > Or perhaps > you think of Microsoft as a competitor that deserves respect, rather > than as an enemy that has subjugated millions of people. > Actually before you brought this up, I never thought of the "win" part in Windows could mean any respect at all. "Win" gives a positive message probably just in English language and happens to be the first part of the word windows. This kind of micro-digging to find ways of name calling the competitor does not suit well to our community. If we should find and advertise tangible reasons to why we are better than the competitor. For all many would care, windows might as well be foodows, and the code in the patch used foo- instead of win-. That "win-" part means nothing else than happening to be the first part of Windows. Victory flags do not go waving in my mind when I read some code with "win-". I believe such trivial refactoring feedback would be demoralizing to contributors. But I agree with the similar change suggested by Glenn on the grounds of coding consistency. > -- Kaushal Modi --001a114159ca15610d053b86f813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016, 7:= 12 AM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org&g= t; wrote:
Or perhaps
you think of Microsoft as a competitor that deserves respect, rather
than as an enemy that has subjugated millions of people.

Actually before you brought this up, I never though= t of the "win" part in Windows could mean any respect at all. &qu= ot;Win" gives a positive message probably just in English language and= happens to be the first part of the word windows. This kind of micro-diggi= ng to find ways of name calling the competitor does not suit well to our co= mmunity. If we should find and advertise tangible reasons to why we are bet= ter than the competitor.=C2=A0

For all many would = care, windows might as well be foodows, and the code in the patch used foo-= instead of win-.=C2=A0 That "win-" part means nothing else than = happening to be the first part of Windows. Victory flags do not go waving i= n my mind when I read some code with "win-". I believe such trivi= al refactoring feedback would be demoralizing to contributors.=C2=A0
<= div>
But I agree with the similar change suggested by Glenn o= n the grounds of coding consistency.=C2=A0
=
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Kaushal Modi

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