Here's what I now have to put a clean ending to this thread (for anyone who might end up here while looking for something): (require 'iso-transl) ;; Add custom bindings to "C-x 8" map (dolist (binding '((">" . nil) ; First unbind ">" from the map (">=" . [?≥]) (">>" . [?≫]) (">\"" . [?»]) (">'" . [?›]) ("<" . nil) ; First unbind "<" from the map ("<=" . [?≤]) ("<<" . [?≪]) ("<\"" . [?«]) ("<'" . [?‹]))) (define-key iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map (kbd (car binding)) (cdr binding))) -- Kaushal Modi On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Kaushal wrote: > In reply to Drew's email that seems to have started by mistake in a new > thread > > > And I'm wondering why we need to provide such "shortcuts". It is > > *trivial* for anyone to bind keys to insert any chars one uses often. > > I don't see how we're doing anyone any favors by this. > > > > What's so special about any particular set of Unicode chars that we > > should bother to offer a predefined set of bindings for them (even if > > turning on that set is optional)? Now we're even down to looking to > > bind ≫ or »? How silly is that? (Well, I'm sure those chars are > > very useful for some people - but those who need 'em can bind 'em.) > > > > Where's the beef? > > As I mentioned in the first email, I can easily bind those to what I want. > > I was motivated to email about this because I found the binding "_<" for ≤ > a bit unnatural. In all the coding languages I used, ≤ was always > represented as "<=" and so thought that that binding would make more sense. > > Then I realized that "<" was already taken for the « and so we could not > have the "<=" binding. > > And then the thread evolved as you see. > > As Stefan mentioned, the "<" binding was added at the time when probably > the other unicode characters were probably not popular. > > So this was just a little gesture to "upgrade" the out-of-box bindings for > "C-x 8" since we are already setting a few default bindings for some > unicode characters. > > I am fine with this discussion ending here and I will go back to using a > little hydra with a bunch of unicode chars I use frequently. > > > -- > Kaushal Modi > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Stefan Monnier > wrote: > >> > I disagree. I use « and » from time to time, and I /never/ wanted to >> > use ≪ or ≫. >> >> FWIW I'm in the same situation. >> >> >> Stefan >> > >