From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kaushal Modi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: yes-or-no-p prompt conditionally broken in master? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189613 Archived-At: --001a113cef30f903fc051ef066da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 @Eli, @Drew Would this psuedocode work? (progn ;; Possible values: nil, 'quick, 'verbose ;; (defconst yes-or-no-option nil) ;; (defconst yes-or-no-option 'quick) (defconst yes-or-no-option 'verbose) ;; If nil, yes-or-no-p and y-or-n-p will work their traditional ways ;; If 'quick , both yes-or-no-p and y-or-n-p will work like y-or-n-p ;; If 'verbose , both yes-or-no-p and y-or-n-p will work like yes-or-no-p ;; yes-or-no-p now implemented in elisp instead of C (defun yes-or-no-p (prompt) (if (eq yes-or-no-option 'quick) (message "y/n") (message "yes/no"))) ;; y-or-n-p redefined (defun y-or-n-p (prompt) (let* ((orig--yes-or-no-option yes-or-no-option) (yes-or-no-option (if (eq orig--yes-or-no-option 'verbose) 'verbose 'quick))) (yes-or-no-p prompt))) (message "yes-or-no-p:") (yes-or-no-p "Q? ") (message "y-or-n-p:") (y-or-n-p "Q? ") nil) On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:50 PM David Kastrup wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: David Kastrup > >> Cc: Alan Mackenzie , kaushal.modi@gmail.com, > >> bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > >> schwab@linux-m68k.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, > >> drew.adams@oracle.com > >> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:14:51 +0200 > >> > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> > >> > The intent is to provide a predicate defcustom that allows to cause > >> > yes-or-no-p behave like y-or-n-p. y-or-n-p will always behave as it > >> > does, and I didn't intend to change that, as I don't see the use case > >> > for that. > >> > >> Reliable translation into selection boxes when feeding emacs -batch from > >> a script? > > > > y-or-n-p already does TRT in that case (no dialog boxes in -batch). > > Feeding emacs -batch _from_ a script. Meaning the script supplies "yes" > and "no". > > >> Predictable behavior when navigating Emacs by voice? > > > > I don't see the relevance, please elaborate. > > Same as above. External input translated into a source for consumption > by Emacs. > > >> Some people may prefer saying "yes" to saying "why". > > > > Likewise. > > "why" is phonetically the same as "y". Which means that it's likely > harder to generate just "y" from voice than "yes". > > -- > David Kastrup > --001a113cef30f903fc051ef066da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@Eli, @Drew

Would this psuedocode work?=

(progn
=C2=A0 ;; Possible values: = nil, 'quick, 'verbose
=C2=A0 ;; (defconst yes-or-no-optio= n nil)=C2=A0
=C2=A0 ;; (defconst yes-or-no-option 'quick)=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 (defconst yes-or-no-option 'verbose)=C2=A0
=C2=A0 ;; If nil, yes-or-no-p and y-or-n-p will work their traditional w= ays
=C2=A0 ;; If 'quick , both yes-or-no-p and y-or-n-p will = work like y-or-n-p
=C2=A0 ;; If 'verbose , both yes-or-no-p a= nd y-or-n-p will work like yes-or-no-p

=C2=A0 ;; y= es-or-no-p now implemented in elisp instead of C
=C2=A0 (defun ye= s-or-no-p (prompt)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (if (eq yes-or-no-option 'qu= ick)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (message "y/n")
<= div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (message "yes/no")))

=C2=A0 ;; y-or-n-p redefined
=C2=A0 (defun y-or-n-p (prompt= )
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (let* ((orig--yes-or-no-option yes-or-no-option)<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(yes-or-no-option (if (e= q orig--yes-or-no-option 'verbose)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0'verbose
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0'quick)))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (yes-or-no-p prompt)))

=C2=A0 (message "yes-or-no-p:")
=C2=A0 (yes-or-no-p "Q? ")
=C2=A0 (message "y-or-= n-p:")
=C2=A0 (y-or-n-p "Q? ")
=C2=A0 ni= l)

On Fri,= Sep 4, 2015 at 2:50 PM David Kastrup <da= k@gnu.org> wrote:
Eli Zare= tskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
>> Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, kaushal.modi@gmail.com,
>> bru= ce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
>> schwab@= linux-m68k.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru,
>> drew.ad= ams@oracle.com
>> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:14:51 +0200
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> > The intent is to provide a predicate defcustom that allows to= cause
>> > yes-or-no-p behave like y-or-n-p.=C2=A0 y-or-n-p will always = behave as it
>> > does, and I didn't intend to change that, as I don't = see the use case
>> > for that.
>>
>> Reliable translation into selection boxes when feeding emacs -batc= h from
>> a script?
>
> y-or-n-p already does TRT in that case (no dialog boxes in -batch).
Feeding emacs -batch _from_ a script.=C2=A0 Meaning the script supplies &qu= ot;yes"
and "no".

>> Predictable behavior when navigating Emacs by voice?
>
> I don't see the relevance, please elaborate.

Same as above.=C2=A0 External input translated into a source for consumptio= n
by Emacs.

>> Some people may prefer saying "yes" to saying "why&= quot;.
>
> Likewise.

"why" is phonetically the same as "y".=C2=A0 Which mean= s that it's likely
harder to generate just "y" from voice than "yes".

--
David Kastrup
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