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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258181 Archived-At: Le mar. 20 oct. 2020 =C3=A0 11:48, Jean Louis a =C3=A9cr= it : > > * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-20 11:23]: > > I agree, but that's because of difficulties inherent to polling, not > > because of a bias that could have been easily avoided. > > It is not difficult, it is one simple stupid HTML, make it nice with > CSS, form can be accepted and saved in file for later processing. Yes, I thought I was clearly stating that the difficulties I was referring to were not related to the form of the survey, where in my opinion they did choose a reasonable path. The difficulties are inherent to polling and concern reaching a sufficiently large sample, weighing it for representativity, etc.